This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[akaneakki]

Easily..

There is a difference being ilvl 320 on prog like myself doing 3.5k with 1 death vs a 340 ilvl person having 1 death doing the same or less than I did back in july.
The OP said the dps of 3.5k is fine, when it's not. A 340 mch shouldnt do 3.5k dps with death and certainly not 4k dps as ilvl 340. There is a difference doing same dps as a ilvl 320 vs a 340 dps. Nobody is expecting 99th, because that also comes to party comp, uptime for melees etc etc. There is so much more than that, what we expect is you don't do same dps as a ilvl 320 dps when you are ilvl 340 dps.
You come and go and see it in most PF: high dps, set to a certain ilvl lets say 330 but the dps is as 'good'' as a 310 or 320 dps.

Learn to read : I said the DRG was above what was needed. .

Read the post above this one and then read what I said earlier in the thread. Nobody is expecting amazing dps all the time, we expect people to not play as they are 20-30 ilvl below their ilvl and certainly not play like ''as long I'm doing more than tank I'm okay. So what if tank did 3.5k and you did 3.7k, doesnt mean you good. If you are sitting at 4k dps in o2s without death, something is terrible wrong. However doing 4.7k ish is completely fine and thats completely fine with most

When we progged first week and I died I did more dps than those who never die as ilvl 340 and they should still do more than what I did when they die 1 time too. Gear isn't going to magicaly make you a great dps.
https://imgur.com/rrl6vRk Look at the link.
This was today and the dps died once.. ONCE!!!! and look at the top, the warrior was doing most of the damage and this was a group of full 340. Explain to me why this is happening.
This was also an enrage btw.

@Alien, when I made the post for your earlier, is how most people talk when they go in content with others and expect us to carry their weight too. I'm not saying you are, but there are far too many who do.

The only good thing about an official parse,is to make some people realise they are not ready to do savage or extrem trial

if people see they are at 500dps and other DD at 1500,it can help people to asses themselve. but hey,lets not offend people feeling about their capabilities

This is another reason why it's needed. I'm seriously baffled that a PVE game doesn't have a parser.

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Ï forgot where you mentioned it but you said something about player just reporting people assuming they use a parser, hell it could been a ps4 player saying they are, but we all know.... how that works. Just reporting for the sake of your ''feeling''... ugh yeah no comment.

Mater of fact, while I don't mind criticism, if anyone says anything that makes it sound like there's even a a tiny chance of them having a parser and/or using it on a run I'm on I report them. That crap doesn't need to be here and it's annoying enough knowing people still use them.

People say they don't mind critsicm, but yet we get offended on a daily basis by people when we try to help? There was another guy who said bann everyone whos on fflogs, don't think he have a clue ps4 players can be listed there too lol.

[akaneakki]

it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals

You miss the point again and trying to make people improve doesnt make people toxic. What is toxic to me is I go in a farm, expect people to know how to do dps and mechanics but far too many players fails that, so why are you going to be a-hole and waste 7 peoples time? Because you had fun? Think a little bit what you said there. There are far too many players who leech of others and how is that not toxic at all? Or is it because you fell for their ''I have fun, damn you all If i can't, because it doesnt matter if we wipe or not as long I HAVE FUN''.

[HyoMinPark]

But there are many reasons to dislike logs outside of a fragile ego such as it seems to bring out the more toxic individuals and give them another bat to use against other people.

You don’t need parsers to bring out toxicity. I’m really tired of the misconception that parsers = more toxicity all around. Jerks are going to be jerks no matter what; they don’t need a parser to be one. And, quite frankly, a lot of them probably don’t even use parsers to be jerks in the first place.

Don’t blame the tool because someone decided to use it incorrectly.

I've never played a game where parsers improved my experience playing it and I've played many where it made it worse. That is why I don't want it; because my experience tells me it will make this game worse.

This is anecdotal, though. It can’t really be used as evidence for anything. If we were going this route, I could say that parsers made my gaming experience better, therefore it should be implemented because it will make the game better.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Don’t blame the tool because someone decided to use it incorrectly.

if someone told me i could be doing more damage (in a productive/constructive way) because they were using a parser, I would be completely open to the suggestions.

People don't like them because they aren't the one using them, and most people who do use them just aren't really clear/supportive about what information they are gleaning from it.

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

[akaneakki]

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

While I agree some are like that but the majority of players who are like that barely exist. I've seen more players try help others and get something shit back at you.

[Squintina]

if someone told me i could be doing more damage (in a productive/constructive way) because they were using a parser, I would be completely open to the suggestions.

People don't like them because they aren't the one using them, and most people who do use them just aren't really clear/supportive about what information they are gleaning from it.

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

There are also people who use them and don't say anything at all, and I'd imagine, though I can't prove it, that the majority of parser users fall in that category.

Taking myself, I have used it and never brought it up in game to anyone. I have, however, used it to compare myself to another SCH in the party (I main SCH) to see how my heals stacked up. If I ended up better, eh. If I ended up worse (and it's not because of something obvious like dying to a mechanic), I immediately go to the logs and see what they did different. Even the basic circle graph that comes with ACT is enough for me to see what skills they benefited more from.

Do I also notice when other people (like DPS) aren't doing much damage? Sure, but I don't bring it up. You might be surprised how many people like me, whose default response isn't to give constructive criticsm but also not give any "you suck" comments, whose default response is simply to keep to themselves and only use it for self-improvement, exist.

[Sebazy]

People don't like them because they aren't the one using them, and most people who do use them just aren't really clear/supportive about what information they are gleaning from it.

"You suck" is usually the default response. Rather than something constructive/informative.

The problem is, the current fight club rules tends to have most people keep mum about these things for fear of getting into trouble over it. If someone asks me how they are doing in a DF/PF pug, I certainly wouldn't ever paste anything into chat, the best I can do is give them a rough answer and go from there.

As this very thread demonstrates, it's almost the norm for many people to struggle with showing a fair degree of respect and courtesy to their fellow players when things aren't going well. That's not a parsing problem, neither is it an FFXIV issue. It's just how things seem to be with the lack of community and camaraderie that modern internet games have. 'Why should I be nice to that moron when I'm never even going to see them again' etc. It's a sad state of affairs imho =(

[Melichoir]

Problem with Parser's is a two fold issue.

On the one hand, theyre a very helpful tool for gauging whether youre getting the best bang for your buck as your class. In that light, theyre useful.

But on the other hand, people use them as a measure of worth, and as a means to disqualify people from even participating. It's fine to mention to people that there are ways to improve DPS, but it becomes the issue when they say "Oh, as a 'X', you need to be doing XXXX DPS or GTFO you scrub. Youre trash!"

And there are plenty of people who USE it as such, particularly when they think they know better when they themselves are really mediocre. Ive seen it before too. Oh, this Dragoon isnt doing 7k DPS. Therye only doing 6.9k. Theyre utter trash. (Fictional numbers). Thats toxic AF and not productive.

[Sebazy]

And there are plenty of people who USE it as such, particularly when they think they know better when they themselves are really mediocre. Ive seen it before too. Oh, this Dragoon isnt doing 7k DPS. Therye only doing 6.9k. Theyre utter trash. (Fictional numbers). Thats toxic AF and not productive.

Thing is, I've raided somewhere between world progression and fairly hardcore from launch (with some pretty highly strung individuals no less), and I've never actually seen this happen first hand. Why is that?

[akaneakki]

Thing is, I've raided somewhere between world progression and fairly hardcore from launch (with some pretty highly strung individuals no less), and I've never actually seen this happen first hand. Why is that?

Never seen that either, I'd like some proof on that actually and not something that's made up like OP did.