Update request. Tutorial passing requirments before being able to use DF.

[Lilseph]

As an idea, they should divide it by category:

-Hall of the Novice (Bronze Adventurer Licence): Starts as soon as you start the game. Tells you the basics, like the actual hall of the novice. Unlocks the first set of dungeons after level 30.
-Hall of the Novice (Silver Adventurer Licence): Advanced actions of your job. Combos, cooldowns. Requires you to have your job crystal and unlocks dungeons up to level 50.
-Hall of the Novice (Gold Adventurer Licence): Healing/Tanking/DPS checks to the "best" of your capabilities. Uses all the skills you previously learned up to level 50. Unlocks dungeons 50+
-Hall of the Novice (Platinium Adventurer Licence): Same than gold but more strict. Unlocks level 60+ dungeons.
-Hall of the Novice (Diamond Adventurer Licence): Same than Platinium but more strict. Unlocks level 70 dungeons.

From there on, the player should have a sense of "I must learn what I get from now". Wish you had a "ranking" at the end of the dungeon, measuring your performance based on your role. PvP already has this system and can be refined and adapted to PvE content. At the end of the run, you receive a rank and points accordingly. It would be granted individually and the results would be given only to you. These points, based on the type of licence you have, will give you in-game rewards (Glamour, mounts, minions, orchestrion rolls, consumables, furniture, materia, etc).

In order to avoid people to exploit this and spam it, the requirement to get ranked runs would be: Doing daily roulettes with no more than 2 people (Including yourself). Only once a day per roulette, like the tank achievement. The commendation system can co-exist with this, but that would measure other paramenters, besides your performance but your attitude, which is the prime element that people usually judge on others.

[Squintina]

As an idea, they should divide it by category:

-Hall of the Novice (Bronze Adventurer Licence): Starts as soon as you start the game. Tells you the basics, like the actual hall of the novice. Unlocks the first set of dungeons after level 30.
-Hall of the Novice (Silver Adventurer Licence): Advanced actions of your job. Combos, cooldowns. Requires you to have your job crystal and unlocks dungeons up to level 50.
-Hall of the Novice (Gold Adventurer Licence): Healing/Tanking/DPS checks to the "best" of your capabilities. Uses all the skills you previously learned up to level 50. Unlocks dungeons 50+
-Hall of the Novice (Platinium Adventurer Licence): Same than gold but more strict. Unlocks level 60+ dungeons.
-Hall of the Novice (Diamond Adventurer Licence): Same than Platinium but more strict. Unlocks level 70 dungeons.

From there on, the player should have a sense of "I must learn what I get from now". Wish you had a "ranking" at the end of the dungeon, measuring your performance based on your role. PvP already has this system and can be refined and adapted to PvE content. At the end of the run, you receive a rank and points accordingly. It would be granted individually and the results would be given only to you. These points, based on the type of licence you have, will give you in-game rewards (Glamour, mounts, minions, orchestrion rolls, consumables, furniture, materia, etc).

In order to avoid people to exploit this and spam it, the requirement to get ranked runs would be: Doing daily roulettes with no more than 2 people (Including yourself). Only once a day per roulette, like the tank achievement. The commendation system can co-exist with this, but that would measure other paramenters, besides your performance but your attitude, which is the prime element that people usually judge on others.

There is so much win in that post, It got my +1.

[LastFireAce]

In order to avoid people to exploit this and spam it, the requirement to get ranked runs would be: Doing daily roulettes with no more than 2 people (Including yourself). Only once a day per roulette, like the tank achievement. The commendation system can co-exist with this, but that would measure other paramenters, besides your performance but your attitude, which is the prime element that people usually judge on others.

Sound like a good idea in theory but to be honest, I would get sick of it and would want it removed by the end of the month same for other. If I was a new players I would hate doing tutorial like if I was dumb to unlock simple dungeon even if they the best lv lol
I would also hate being more judge then we already are with commendation system lol
Such a drag, I hate bad player just like next guy but as proven by daily public school forcing Saturday tutoring school won't solved anything xD sure will help some but no everyone little by little we be back at where we started.

[Lilseph]

Sound like a good idea in theory but to be honest, I would get sick of it and would want it removed by the end of the month same for other. If I was a new players I would hate doing tutorial like if I was dumb to unlock simple dungeon even if they the best lv lol
I would also hate being more judge then we already are with commendation system lol
Such a drag, I hate bad player just like next guy but as proven by daily public school forcing Saturday tutoring school won't solved anything xD sure will help some but no everyone little by little we be back at where we started.

Well:

1) You would have to do said tutorial ONCE per character, so you would get your licence only once.
2) I feel it gives a sense of improvement and progression. Who doesn't like to have a high rank at something? That's what the diamond licence is.
3) You receive the ranking and points upon completing a daily roulette when you solo queue or with someone else. Nothing different from what people do everyday.
4) It's the game judging you, not the others. Only you can see your own results.
5) Because it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
6) Some players actually need it because they are truly bad at the game. This affects other player's experience.
7) Players already do "tutorials" (job quests, DPS check dummies). This would go more in depth for further improvement.

You can even make it so you don't unlock dungeons by doing it, but the remnants of the system would still grant you points and redeem it for rewards based on your licence. You can even go further and receive a bonus amount by queueing up as an adventure in need. The trials you have to go through will BE challenging so you can push as much as you can to complete it. No echo, ilvl sync, level sync to avoid any kind of cheesing.

After getting diamond, or within any rank, you can have several objectives, not only a single trial or quest. You can grab a bunch of challenges you need to complete before you can apply for the next rank. The possibilities are almost unlimited.

In my opinion this would solve several issues:

1) Will cut the DF queue times as there is another incentive for the roles in need to do it.
2) More people would strive to improve themselves to get the rewards.
3) Gives you both challenging solo content (Which this game is lacking) and more stuff to strive for.
4) An alternate way to get gear?

The system as I present it to you, in my opinion, has several potential uses. I took it from old school RPGs where you have a ranking and you need it to unlock content. Since this game loves to copy from WoW, I think that these challenges modes (Which is a variation of what I'm proposing) open more doors than anything.

[Reinha]

As an idea, they should divide it by category:

-Hall of the Novice (Bronze Adventurer Licence): Starts as soon as you start the game. Tells you the basics, like the actual hall of the novice. Unlocks the first set of dungeons after level 30.
-Hall of the Novice (Silver Adventurer Licence): Advanced actions of your job. Combos, cooldowns. Requires you to have your job crystal and unlocks dungeons up to level 50.
-Hall of the Novice (Gold Adventurer Licence): Healing/Tanking/DPS checks to the "best" of your capabilities. Uses all the skills you previously learned up to level 50. Unlocks dungeons 50+
-Hall of the Novice (Platinium Adventurer Licence): Same than gold but more strict. Unlocks level 60+ dungeons.
-Hall of the Novice (Diamond Adventurer Licence): Same than Platinium but more strict. Unlocks level 70 dungeons.

I miss the Proving Grounds from WoW. We have SSS and PotD for solo challenges but Proving Grounds were better tailored to each role. Your system sounds fun but imo would be better without it unlocking any dungeons, but offering a unique player status at Diamond licence. This status (diamond icon) could be turned on at will to show your combat ability. I would hope that the last challenge is very hard so that the icon would be prestigious and a goal to reach.

[Lilseph]

I miss the Proving Grounds from WoW. We have SSS and PotD for solo challenges but Proving Grounds were better tailored to each role. Your system sounds fun but imo would be better without it unlocking any dungeons, but offering a unique player status at Diamond licence. This status (diamond icon) could be turned on at will to show your combat ability. I would hope that the last challenge is very hard so that the icon would be prestigious and a goal to reach.

Thanks for your reply, Reinha. Yes, later on I posted some potential adjustments:

You can even make it so you don't unlock dungeons by doing it, but the remnants of the system would still grant you points and redeem it for rewards based on your licence. You can even go further and receive a bonus amount by queueing up as an adventure in need. The trials you have to go through will BE challenging so you can push as much as you can to complete it. No echo, ilvl sync, level sync to avoid any kind of cheesing.

After getting diamond, or within any rank, you can have several objectives, not only a single trial or quest. You can grab a bunch of challenges you need to complete before you can apply for the next rank. The possibilities are almost unlimited.

In my opinion this would solve several issues:

1) Will cut the DF queue times as there is another incentive for the roles in need to do it.
2) More people would strive to improve themselves to get the rewards.
3) Gives you both challenging solo content (Which this game is lacking) and more stuff to strive for.
4) An alternate way to get gear?

The system as I present it to you, in my opinion, has several potential uses. I took it from old school RPGs where you have a ranking and you need it to unlock content. Since this game loves to copy from WoW, I think that these challenges modes (Which is a variation of what I'm proposing) open more doors than anything.

Like you, I also miss the proving grounds. It was a neat feature, tied to achievements and rewards. You can even make it so every licence have a list of goals you need to fulfill before you move on, like Wondrous Tails but with both solo trials and group trials (existing ones). Giving status icons is a good insentive. I am thinking about making a thread with the whole suggestion because I like the shape it's getting.

I don't want to sound elitist, pushing or make it look like a job as some people claimed, but seriously... why the hell wouldn't you want to play the game as intended? Tutorials are there for a reason, like it or not. I think the dev team is extremely care bear with their community, then they wonder why their end-game usually fails as nothing really prepares the players for that challenge.