Ilvl restrictions for leveling dungeons?

[KaivaC]

Honestly, even regular Shire Gear that is 260 is enough for Bardam's. If a player leveled through just dungeons, Shisui would only get them to 270 anyways.

Now if you want the real kicker, go with a tank that's in Ironworks. Enjoy that.

That's talking about us, though. A lot of us on these forums generally know how to do our jobs. Not so much with DF, where there are so many bad players who go in. Not even taking CDs or usage of their job skills into account, tanks are a lot more squishier there than Shisui (especially if they pull bigger) and DPS doesn't quite hit as hard as it should. I mean, yeah, if you have an excellent healer, a good tank, and DPS who know what to do, Shire Gear is fine so long as you upgrade in Bardam's. But I've been in some brutal runs here, with players in Shire gear.

[SenorPatty]

Oh my god, I just keep thinking of the Sirensong runs I had.

The ilvl 200 player

The friend of that player who thinks just cause he's equpped with a 255 while the rest of the gear is even below

The dps who are in full 230 but want to save their lore for "something else"

The healer who tells me he doesn't need shire cuz if I'm a good tank, I'll live

The tank who wants to save his money for glam

Oh god

Oh god why

Why

Whyyyyy


And Bardam...ugh..just...ugh.

There's a reason I rarely stepped foot in Doma and beyond to lvl some jobs.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Try getting a party in castrum abania where the tank is still in gear from shisui or earlier... >.>

[Kurando]

I had a situation a few days ago. Went in to Doma Castle as AST, I was geared up on Omega stuff so no issues on my end, and the DPS although one was new they both had decent gear. The PLD however came in with Augment Shire gear on the left side and a mix of 250-260 on the right. From the moment of the first pull the tank was squishy as hell and I literally had to spend every turn popping heals. They did a couple of big pulls and on each occasion we eventually wiped because the tank was so undergeared and taking bigger hits that could of been avoided.

Eventually i asked them why they were still using shire stuff and they just said they were being lezy leveling up. It kinda annoyed me more because this player was a Mentor, ok that doesn't mean much on most players but you'd think they would have some common sense when it comes to gear. After the 4 wipe the tank says it wasn't their fault and left the duty, we got a lovely (savage geared) replacement and we then had no problems from there on.

Having an ilvl requirement would be nice for some dungeons but it's more personal preference than anything. I'd try to gear up over time so I'd expect others to do it too.

[Iscah]

Even if they don't want to set a lockout for undergeared players, a *recommended* ilevel would be helpful, and/or perhaps a reminder similar to the one you get when your gear needs mending.

SE has already put tools in place to fix this. There are vendors in every city that sell 1-60 normal gear. There is ZERO reason to not have current ilvl equipment.

Certainly in ARR, the vendors seem badly arranged to me. You can't see at a glance if there is new gear that is worth buying for your character - you have to scroll through the list, look for ones that have better stats, see whether you are actually able to equip them (eg. level restrictions, DPS and tank gear mixed in together)....

Just grouping the gear by class-type would be better than the actual system of grouping by level - have categories for tank armour, medium armour (tanks + lancer), DPS, mages, and separate crafting and gathering. Then you'd just need to go to the correct category for the class you're equipping, and everything you could ever buy for that class would be there in the one list and sequenced by level, not split up across multiple menus and mixed with things you can't use.

(Also: the Recommended Gear button in the Character menu needs to stop suggesting non-tank armour for tanks. Usually it's slightly-higher-level-but-much-lower-defence DPS gear, but it actually recommended mage equipment for me the other day.... a sign that I need to buy new tank armour, sure, but still something is amiss with their system of judging what is actually the best equipment.)

They could always make it left-side requirements to avoid the over-gearing with cheap rings, like the Level 5 MSQ that requires you to equip item level 5 gear in your head piece, body, hands, legs, and feet slots.

Even that test seems to be not working as intended. I was still wearing my level-1 blouse and they let me through that check. Possibly had Lv8 gear in other slots and they just check an average number, but still. (And I continued wearing it right up until I got the Novice gear at Lv15 because I liked it and didn't seem to be having trouble beating enemies....)

[Kuroka]

I just place a few of my pics from the german forum...

[Derio]

Honestly once I get to lvl 67. I stopped doing leveling roulette on my tanks. Simply because the amount of undergeared players made going into that a nightmare.

Its really noticeable in the lvl 68 and 58 dungeons. The lvl 60 and 70 dungeons( including story) have Ilvl restrictions which makes it ok.

[Hausti]

Try getting a party in castrum abania where the tank is still in gear from shisui or earlier... >.>

I had this once. His response "Im almost 70". And of course he was pulling big like a pro >.>

[Kuroka]

The best thing is when you get these ppl with shire 260 and ONE 245 dungeon ring in Doma/Abania... you just SEE they used a potion and didnt give shit >_>
-And "no one told me" is not valid. you saw other tanks or ANY class with better gear before, so at least ask...

[Ameela]

Honestly, even regular Shire Gear that is 260 is enough for Bardam's. If a player leveled through just dungeons, Shisui would only get them to 270 anyways.

Now if you want the real kicker, go with a tank that's in Ironworks. Enjoy that.

To be honest in SB I think you can't just level through dungeons using the gear you get along the way.
For example HQ level 68 gear is surprisingly stronger than the gear you get from Doma Castle (like pretty much the same level as Genta to Genji equipment) so you'll probably need to shell out some gil if you want your runs to go as smoothly as possible.