Carbuncle mounts have arrived!

[TinyRedLeaf]

Ahhhh. Come on now, why isn't at least one of the outfits or the mounts a reward for completing the arcanima quest line. *sad face*

Just kidding, although it would've been awesome if it were so. I almost never buy anything from the mogshop, but I'm happy to make an exception this time.

[Jxnibbles]

They should of just waited to release this in a month. Also why is all the Carbuncle stuff only ever in the Cash Shop?

The items are not only vanity items.. The items have stats like +2 str +2 Int. It does not matter if the stats are small they should be removed and then we can call it just "Vanity Items."

[BunnyChain]

Back then, an emote was only 1.40€. This one seems like a pretty simple emote... inflation? low sale expectations?
I'm curious about the cost to produce that animation.

They should really offer single-character mount versions too, since, you know, the game is the way it is.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

That does not make "vanity only" argument more valid, all are you doing is making a case for "is not that bad".

Level boosters and story skip potions are not vanity items, your argument about "nothing influences endgame whatsoever" is again just a case for "is not that bad".

I'll grant you the skip potions. Your stance essentially boils down to because you value aesthetics, everything should be obtainable for free. That doesn't make my stance invalid, just that you disagree with the premise.

I really don't mind the Cash Shop but I hate when people say its vanity only. No its not however small the stats its P2W.

That's absurd. P2W necessitates a winning state. You don't "win" anything with these stat bonus. In fact, the defensive stats are so low tanks would explode entering Haukke Manor wearing the set.

[Jxnibbles]

That's absurd. P2W necessitates a winning state. You don't "win" anything with these stat bonus. In fact, the defensive stats are so low tanks would explode entering Haukke Manor wearing the set.

Yes a level 1 can pay to get stats, they can pay to get ahead in Msq, get ahead with a job boost, get a retainer ahead with a retainer job boost. That is P2W.. While the stats are not very meaningful they can be used to get a level 1 ahead.

I also remember reading our Cash Shop was meant for vanity.

[Maoska]

Yes a level 1 can pay to get stats, they can pay to get ahead in Msq, get ahead with a job boost, get a retainer ahead with a retainer job boost. That is P2W.. While the stats are not very meaningful they can be used to get a level 1 ahead.

This items is not exactly P2W. But it depends of the point of view. For me P2W means that the items you bought give you advantage in the end game. Like for example if you could buy whole genji set - that could be P2W items. Whole Ala Mhigan crafting set? 345 illvl weapon only for cash? Or set of additional 100 levequests if you already burn all of your free ones. If I save some time buying jump potion to lvl 60 I still need to level up to 70. I hardly see what advantage in game give me jump potion for the reteiners besides few additional items they can give me for some minor crafting recipes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes a level 1 can pay to get stats, they can pay to get ahead in Msq, get ahead with a job boost, get a retainer ahead with a retainer job boost. That is P2W.. While the stats are not very meaningful they can be used to get a level 1 ahead.

Not, it isn't. Once again, you have to establish a "win" state for P2W to apply. The closest equivalent to winning in FFXIV is completing Savage or Ultimate. Purchasing a jump potion is simply paying for a convenience. It accomplishes absolutely nothing if you jump DRG to 60, level to 70 and have no idea how to actually play the job. Getting ahead means very little in this game as progression is always restricted based on caps. A person who skips every single cut scene is technically going to complete the MSQ significantly faster than someone who watches them. Someone leveling a tank will speed through dungeon queues whereas a DPS will have wait times potentially exceeding twenty minutes.

When you can purchase 2,000 tomestone of x or progression on the Stormblood relic is tied to lootboxes, then we can discuss P2W tactics.

[Jxnibbles]

Snip.

Who defines This magical "Win state" for P2W to apply. We have no real definition for this term. You think Raiding and Ultimate is the win state but our game is a MMO.

Others like myself will disagree since you brought up the tomestones, and relics Is that not just progress? The items I listed also have to deal with progress?

We have no real definition for most games since they are never ending like Farmville, Smite, League, Clan wars ect..

Sorry for Edits.