Carbuncle mounts have arrived!

[HyoMinPark]

And that's precisely why most F2P mmo are rip off (by either making you buy stuff in the cash shop or making you grind countless hours to get stuff), and FFXIV is walking down that road with XP and story skip potions.

It's just as if I were to build a theme park while putting the entrance 10 km away from the rides, and forbidding you the use of a car to go from the entrance to the ride. So that's you either would have to walk a long time to reach the ride you paid for or pay an extra to skip all the walking (which would be the microtransactions in MMO).

Except, the developers aren’t forcing anybody to purchase things from the cash shop. People don’t have to buy MSQ skip potions. They don’t have to buy job jump potions. It’s entirely optional. As would be walking in your theme park analogy—they don’t have to pay extra for a ride to their queue line, they can just walk.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And that's precisely why most F2P mmo are rip off (by either making you buy stuff in the cash shop or making you grind countless hours to get stuff), and FFXIV is walking down that road with XP and story skip potions.

It's just as if I were to build a theme park while putting the entrance 10 km away from the rides, and forbidding you the use of a car to go from the entrance to the ride. So that's you either would have to walk a long time to reach the ride you paid for or pay an extra to skip all the walking (which would be the microtransactions in MMO).

Nobody would go to such a theme park in real life.

This analogy doesn't work. Yours is a massive inconvenience whereas the Carbuncle has literally no impact on your game beyond a desire to have it. A better equivalent is how theme parks typically ban outside food being brought in while charging higher prices themselves. Keeping in mind, like the Carbuncle mounts, that food is entirely optional.

F2P mmos don't offer content updates every fourteen weeks and have significantly more exclusive items. Most also dabble in lootboxes, which SE has avoided thus far.

[DevonEllwood]

I might be a minority here, but I'm happy there's a cash shop and that its getting new things. Not new things I want, but the stuff is still nice. Not everyone has time to grind for things in game. People who feel they are gated off from the new mounts because they're in the cash shop and there are people who feel like they are gated off from content in game because they don't have the time to work for it. There's a mount comes from 200(?) wins in Rival Wings that I will never have because I don't have time. I want it, but I don't need it and I can live without it.

I wasn't planing on getting a carbuncle but it looks like they're account wide, so maybe

[ElHeggunte]

Oh look, pages and pages of people once again complaining about the Mog Station, how original and refreshing! You people—no, you know what? I think I’m going to sit this conversation out. If I shared how I really felt I would get banned from the forums again. I like my forum access, gentlemen, so I’ll leave you to your pettiness.

[Slevin_Impudicus]

I wish they had made the carbuncle mounts 3x or 4x the price. Then maybe I wouldn't have to see the damned MyLittlePony treerats everywhere. I thought chocobos were ugly, but these sparkly vermin take the cake. The fact that they have the same scaling problem as the yokai cumsprites tells me the developers are pointing and laughing at each non-Lalafel that lines up to buy them.

I don't buy anything off the cash shop. The beg-emote stopped me for a second, but that's only because I thought the miqote came with the emote. Sure. I'd spam it.
Other things I would pay extra for...
- Y'shtola mount. God knows we won't ever get any MSQ time with her. (not bitter)
- Filtering goggles. Let's us select for visual substitution any in-game entities we would rather not see on our screens (like Lalafels, moogles, carbuncles, Kan-e-senna...)

[Welsper59]

I might be a minority here, but I'm happy there's a cash shop and that its getting new things. Not new things I want, but the stuff is still nice. Not everyone has time to grind for things in game. People who feel they are gated off from the new mounts because they're in the cash shop and there are people who feel like they are gated off from content in game because they don't have the time to work for it. There's a mount comes from 200(?) wins in Rival Wings that I will never have because I don't have time. I want it, but I don't need it and I can live without it.

I wasn't planing on getting a carbuncle but it looks like they're account wide, so maybe

I don't think most people would be against the cash shop as much if there were some in-game means of acquiring most/all of the items on the cash shop from both fronts. Personally, I'm not against it, as that's just how things are now as a norm. More and more, people are finding themselves in disposable income. Many (not all) who may not have it now will have it in the near future. It sucks that things are where it is, but consumers want things faster, even if it means paying for it... that's the demand of the consumers themselves as a whole.

If those items were added in, like say some achievement award akin to that Hunt mount with ridiculous requirements, it still probably wouldn't be met with TOO much backlash outside of petty frustration. Personally, if I really wanted it and was faced with spending months grinding for something, I'd probably prefer the pay option if it isn't too expensive. $24 isn't bad for a mount that would otherwise take months or possibly years to do in-game, but if I don't care to spend, then oh well... not for me.

I actually despise the price for shit on the store. Something about the mounts/items in this games shop really don't justify the price tag for me. I mean the Carbuncle stuff looks quality grade, so it's hard to resist, but when you look at the other stuff they have, that's some ridiculous pricing. $7 for an emote? Something we have an immense number of that are with the game that you at its price. Likewise $5-15 for housing items or rehashed glamour-only items? Again, stuff we already have immense numbers of in the game at its base value. The dyes... because there's an in-game version available for most of them, they get a bit of a pass.

Maybe it's from my realization that I spent $25-30 for each of my several mounts I bought on WoW years ago and how little use those mounts provided, when you come to terms with how many mounts the game has in general and will keep adding to. I simply recognize that $24 for the amount of time you'd spend trying to get the thing from difficult/long methods, not to mention the amount of frustration/boredom to get there compared to how much you'd make at your job in that same time, makes it easily arguable as being "worth it" if you really want it.

Do note however that it's obvious the devs are willing to put those sorts of high dedication requirements into the game for non-cash shop items, like The Hunt mount. So to potentially see something of that equivalent be made at the same time as it being available for real money purchasing is NOT an unreasonable or unexpected outcome. It'd just be good to see those goods be attainable in-game and for the shop prices to be halved (at least), I'd actually consider spending sometimes. Obviously too, this would not mean ALL difficult to obtain items. Leaving some things, such as any Savage/Extreme mounts, as in-game only is highly beneficial for the appeal of the game.

[Skivvy]

Oh look, pages and pages of people once again complaining about the Mog Station, how original and refreshing! You people—no, you know what? I think I’m going to sit this conversation out. If I shared how I really felt I would get banned from the forums again. I like my forum access, gentlemen, so I’ll leave you to your pettiness.

It's not petty to take issue with cash shops, RNG boxes and DLC creeping into game models where there previously were none.

[ElHeggunte]

It's not petty to take issue with cash shops, RNG boxes and DLC creeping into game models where there previously were none.

When you start equating optional mounts (most of whom are a reskin of what's already in-game), vanity equipment (a good portion of which was in-game at one point and the rest makes up a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall equipment that we get more of every patch), and relatively benign jump potions to RNG loot boxes and full on DLC, yes, you have certainly reached a level of pettiness that would make a career politician's panties moist. But whatever, I know better than to waste my time attempting to change anyone's mind on these forums. Not when most of the people always complaining about the cash shop have somehow managed to convince themselves that their sub earns them any other right privilege besides server access.

Even if SE were to add these items into the game, I guarantee that 90% of the players here complaining about them being in the cash shop would instead complain about the unholy grind or content they would be locked behind. These back and forth flip-flops are so regular that at least half of the O-Forums must imbibe Metamucil like they're stranded in the desert about to die of thirst.

And then you have--no! I--you--! You son of a--! I told you I didn't want--! I don't want--! RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[Skivvy]

When you start equating optional mounts (most of whom are a reskin of what's already in-game), vanity equipment (a good portion of which was in-game at one point and the rest makes up a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall equipment that we get more of every patch), and relatively benign jump potions to RNG loot boxes and full on DLC, yes, you have certainly reached a level of pettiness that would make a career politician's panties moist.

I was referring to a trend seen across games, and not strictly XIV. Next time I will break it down further so you don't start salivating thinking about the massive 'burn' you're going to attempt to deliver.

[Tsumdere]

I wish they had made the carbuncle mounts 3x or 4x the price. Then maybe I wouldn't have to see the damned MyLittlePony treerats everywhere. I thought chocobos were ugly, but these sparkly vermin take the cake. The fact that they have the same scaling problem as the yokai cumsprites tells me the developers are pointing and laughing at each non-Lalafel that lines up to buy them.

I don't buy anything off the cash shop. The beg-emote stopped me for a second, but that's only because I thought the miqote came with the emote. Sure. I'd spam it.
Other things I would pay extra for...
- Y'shtola mount. God knows we won't ever get any MSQ time with her. (not bitter)
- Filtering goggles. Let's us select for visual substitution any in-game entities we would rather not see on our screens (like Lalafels, moogles, carbuncles, Kan-e-senna...)

Who hurt you?