A Skipping Normal Raid Option :o ?!

[Stanelis]

Do you only do each fight once? If not the fight is ruined the 2nd time you run it

Yeah but generally there is something called progression, meaning even if you farm some bosses there are more to be taken down you never saw. And that's what is driving players such as the op forward.

If, hypothetically, a raid of 10 bosses is implemented and you take down 1 new boss per week (typical rate of progression of wow raids back in the day), then you ll be going on for 10 weeks before running out of new stuff to see.

If you were to run normal mode on first day and kill the 10 bosses in easy mode in one day (typical rate of progression of modern wow), then you end up spending X weeks on bosses on the harder difficulty modes you already saw on the first day. Thus ruining the progression feeling and the drive to do the whole thing right from the beginning.

[Fynlar]

This one run will spoiler me my savage experience almost entirely, that is my problem.

Uhh... not really. If that's really true then there's no need to even play savage considering it's exactly the same as normal mode.

[Ameela]

IMO they should just unlock both NM and Savage in the story quests and you can choose what difficulty you'd like to do to progress through it (giving you a free clear on NM if you clear Savage).
It's not like this would affect queues, people who'd jump straight into Savage only run the NM encounters once anyway and then just use crafted gear, people who do it multiple times for gear now would still need to do it if a system like that was in place.

[SieyaM]

The whole spoiler argument kind of goes right out the window since in order to do any savage content you're expected to watch a video detailing the fight anyway. I mean unless that has changed but I thought it was the general mindset that to do savage content you need to already be familiar with the mechanics of the fight.

[LeeraSorlan]

The whole spoiler argument kind of goes right out the window since in order to do any savage content you're expected to watch a video detailing the fight anyway. I mean unless that has changed but I thought it was the general mindset that to do savage content you need to already be familiar with the mechanics of the fight.

Let me know when you find a day 1 guide of the savage encounters

[SieyaM]

So it would be mandatory for all savage raiders to complete it day 1, and those that don't you will allow to go in without watching a guide even if its weeks or maybe even months later?

[WhiteArchmage]

Ooook, so, history lesson: Casual players complain Coil is too hard and they're getting left out of the story. Yoshida listens to those players and releases a "dumbed down" version of the same fight so casuals can get their story while raiders can get their raid fight and loot with Savage. Savage IS designed as the same fight with updated mechanics and harder heal/dps/tank checks (then players suck and demand these be dumbed down as well...).

In short: we already have Savage so a greater number of players can clear the side story content and maybe get an interest in raiding. If you really don't wanna have the fight "spoiled" just get a group to carry your body thru normal, it's not like the fights are hard, anyway.

[Nezerius]

In short: we already have Savage so a greater number of players can clear the side story content and maybe get an interest in raiding. If you really don't wanna have the fight "spoiled" just get a group to carry your body thru normal, it's not like the fights are hard, anyway.

Or they could just give hardcore players the option to skip the normal difficulty.

When non-hardcore players complained about the coil story being out of their reach, they ended up getting their normal mode to see the story. With that in mind, a hardcore player is asking for an option to skip that difficulty, something that doesn't affect a non-hardcore player's ability to run it.

It's a bit silly to reply with something akin to "Just deal with it, have a group carry your corpse", because the same reply could've been made about coil "Just deal with it, YouTube it/get carried".

[enthauptet]

You should be able to jump into savage without doing normal first. Saying that "savage raiders" will decrease the queue for normal players, yeah maybe like for a few hours or the first week but a lot of people do normal one time then never again so that has no lasting effect. I have several friends on my server that do the (savage) raids blind and it takes them forever but they enjoy it. I know they would love to not ruin the story either and have more excitement from their savage clears.

Personally I do normal mode because hey free gear, just wish that your contribution meant something to your roll % LOL.

[Sylvina]

I think having to beat a lower difficulty to be ready for the higher difficulty makes sense and is just good design. No option to skip normal please, and keep releasing savage at least a week or two after the normal modes.