A Skipping Normal Raid Option :o ?!

[LeeraSorlan]

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normal is not a gate...come on why are you people so incapable of seeing this? Normal is faceroll content, normal does not have enrages, for the entirety of This tier of omega normal, you need... Competent tank.. competent healer..1..maybe 2 competent DPS to clear all four of them. THATS FOUR ENTIRE PLAYERS THAT ARE NEEDED TO CLEAR NORMAL, meaning the other 4 can be as terrible as they want and get carrieed, AND HAVE ACCESS TO SAVAGE. Clearing normal mode is NOT a gate, it is NOT an indication of skill. As to your points...if a player knows how to unlock savage, chances are they know how to unlock normal. im also unsure about you, but ive had terrible players joining savage parties ive been in, ykno what we did? we kicked them. simple as that, kick and look again...wow, so hard.

Normal is not a gate, please get it through your head people, making normal required for savage changes literally (literally) nothing. Crafted gear is a thing, as is an ilvl restriction in PF that you can set so you wont get people joning ur savage parties with lvl 68 gear.

Its puzzling how many people think more bad players will join savage, because there wont be anymore bad players than there already are, because it takes less than a full day to get carried through normal omega.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

Does every raider have access to FC which can craft 88 pieces for 8 people, making weekly food? Gathering and making those itself take time. It's only now that the weekly lockout is lifted. Isn't progression a thing? edit: and speaking of progression, it's already mentioned, how do the bad players can improve if the good players go straight to savage?

[Moomba33]

I don't see the harm in letting raiders skip normal mode so long as normal mode continues to exist for people that want the story but not the challenge of raiding.

What if the raid questline unlocked both normal and Savage and clearing either version of the floors was valid for continuing the story?

(Edit: Of course if you cleared normal you would only unlock the normal version of the next floor. It would still follow the normal rules of Savage progression, you would just have the option of doing the questline with the Savage floors to avoid spoilers from normal).

[Infindox]

I think both options should exist. Meaning if you only care about the story or don't think you're ready for Savage, you can do normal and get rewarded for it (though the gear wouldn't be as good or it takes more grinding), then when you're ready you can move on to Savage. If you want the story but also want the harder content, then Savage should be unlockable from the beginning for you.

I came into this thread to disagree but then I though to myself "why do I not much myself to raid?". Then I realized that yeah, it has everything to do with the fact that the Savage mode really isn't anything story related.

[AxlStream]

Skip for what? Spoilers? You do realize Savage content usually gets released after the Normal versions right? You'll have hub chat, forums, reddit, FCs, Discord, etc. EVERYTHING to spoil it for you. Also as it's been mentioned before, the Savage versions are just retellings of YOUR battles of the Normal versions embellished for a better tale. What's to embellish if your little WoL doesn't go out there and actually saves the world?

[Stanelis]

Skip for what? Spoilers? You do realize Savage content usually gets released after the Normal versions right? You'll have hub chat, forums, reddit, FCs, Discord, etc. EVERYTHING to spoil it for you. Also as it's been mentioned before, the Savage versions are just retellings of YOUR battles of the Normal versions embellished for a better tale. What's to embellish if your little WoL doesn't go out there and actually saves the world?

I do realize that and that's also why I don't raid in games that have different levels of difficulty for their raids. Different strokes for different folks and believe it or not, not everyone play for loot.

[Commander_Justitia]

Also as it's been mentioned before, the Savage versions are just retellings of YOUR battles of the Normal versions embellished for a better tale. What's to embellish if your little WoL doesn't go out there and actually saves the world?

So basically, we cant have nice things because Lore?-_- That's always the weakest excuse, it would be the typical SE answer though if you would ask them about this.

You could experience the same story with both difficulties, I don't see a problem there, the problem is just made up. I don't need an lore explanation why it is believable that there are extreme/savage/ultimate versions in this world.

The old coils were more like savage and the coil savage closer to ultimate. Then we got a downgrade with the next raids, they didn't have to put the old system on it, but they did. Just use the bard for ultimate or the minstrel ballad ultima/thordan/shinryu type content only, so he has still a purpose.


To have content where you can expect something new to happen is so rare anyway, I'm glad that some agree that it takes out the enjoyment/destroys the purpose of pure progression groups.

[AxlStream]

So basically, we cant have nice things because Lore?-_- That's always the weakest excuse, it would be the typical SE answer though if you would ask them about this.

Maybe it's because the game prides itself on having some of the deepest lore in multiplayer gaming? Have you thought about that? Lots of player only here for the story and lore.

[LeeraSorlan]

Maybe it's because the game prides itself on having some of the deepest lore in multiplayer gaming? Have you thought about that? Lots of player only here for the story and lore.

Gameplay comes over lore.Lore can be changed to fit Gameplay better

[Okamimaru]

Do you only do each fight once? If not the fight is ruined the 2nd time you run it