Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Ayer2015]

So you gonna go around say there is minimal of bad players without proof? I'm aware you don't main healer, I don't main healer and I was thinking you would understand a whm shouldn't out dps a dps in expert roulette or is that completely fine? Last time I checked my job was to heal and keep people alive, but yet on top of that I did more than the dps himself.

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

[akaneakki]

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

So you are saying it's completely fine for a healer to out dps a actual dps? I remember so many times people on this forum say, tank job is to keep aggro, use cds etc, while a healer's job is to heal. Yet I see many healers out perform actual dps in the expert roulette? What are they doing? on sightseing while clicking once in a while? I don't care if a dps is doing just fine in roulettes, but when some dps like a samurai gets beaten by a warrior, something is wrong and you are here telling me it's fine? You what? Explain to me what a dps job is then

[Ayer2015]

So you are saying it's completely fine for a healer to out dps a actual dps? I remember so many times people on this forum say, tank job is to keep aggro, use cds etc, while a healer's job is to heal. Yet I see many healers out perform actual dps in the expert roulette? What are they doing? on sightseing while clicking once in a while? I don't care if a dps is doing just fine in roulettes, but when some dps like a samurai gets beaten by a warrior, something is wrong and you are here telling me it's fine? You what? Explain to me what a dps job is then

Honestly? I don't really care. I log in and complete EX roulette once a day and raid once a week. I barely even pay attention to what others are doing in DF parties. I heal and dps.... I focus on what I do, then move on.

[Hruodig]

Honestly? I don't really care. I log in and complete EX roulette once a day and raid once a week. I barely even pay attention to what others are doing in DF parties. I heal and dps.... I focus on what I do, then move on.

If you don't care then why bother commenting? Obviously a lot of us do care and think it shouldn't be acceptable for a dps to get out-parsed by a tank or healer. It'd save you a lot of effort if you just ignored these threads.

[Ayer2015]

If you don't care then why bother commenting? Obviously a lot of us do care and think it shouldn't be acceptable for a dps to get out-parsed by a tank or healer. It'd save you a lot of effort if you just ignored these threads.

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

[ovIm]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

its not that we want this here to be an echo chamber, its just that we dont really hear good opinions or reasons why our view of things is wrong. For example, I still haven't read anywhere why anyone finds it acceptable for DPS to do less damage per second than healers or tanks. I still haven't seen a good reason why a DPS' performance should not be as transparent as a tanks or healers. And as long as we dont hear solid, good arguments, we will continue to be vocal to what we still think is true, our views are not challenged.

[RichardButte]

its not that we want this here to be an echo chamber, its just that we dont really hear good opinions or reasons why our view of things is wrong. For example, I still haven't read anywhere why anyone finds it acceptable for DPS to do less damage per second than healers or tanks. I still haven't seen a good reason why a DPS' performance should not be as transparent as a tanks or healers. And as long as we dont hear solid, good arguments, we will continue to be vocal to what we still is true, our views are not challenged.

This.

I'm a DPS player and I should be held to the same standards of play that tanks and healers are held to because that's FAIR.

I don't understand why anyone feels it's okay for tanks and healers to be judged but DPS players are these fragile little butterflies and they can't risk allowing us to know that WE and we alone are the reason our raid isn't making the DPS check...

[Hruodig]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

No one's asking for an echo chamber, we're asking for an actual good-faith discussion on this topic. I've seen you go into several threads related to parsing and dps-accountability saying that you don't see why the threads should exist, or that you think every argument has already been made so there's no point to discussing it. It's clear to me that you just don't want these topics to be discussed, so why not ignore them?

[Jijifli]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

I don't need it to be an echo chamber. I want discussion, but I want both sides to bring good points. The only thing I'm generally hearing is anti-parsing, or how I'm overeating over simplest things. Which both are false, when I mention I'm not using a parser and I don't need one to see the same spell animation repeat.

I really, truthfully, honestly here, do not care if it's even sub-par. My expectations have died this low, and my playtime on my main here is showing it. I stopped doing expert until 4.2, even though I could gear the BLM I love so much. If I lowered my expectations much more, I'd stop playing in general. What's the norm for high up? 4k? 5k? I don't care if you're doing 2k in my expert. It's bound to be more than pressing 1 button until you fall asleep.

[HyoMinPark]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

I happily welcome opposing viewpoints and opinions when I’m having discussions with people. But simply saying something like “I don’t care” is not offering anything to the discussion other than just stating your views on the matter, in my opinion.

A lot of discussions about topics like parsers or DPS debates (regarding all three roles) tend to have opposing opinions boil down to “Well, I don’t like [discussion’s topic], therefore it shouldn’t be in the game/I shouldn’t have to do it” or “I don’t care about [discussion’s topic], therefore why should anyone else care”. Very rarely do I see solid arguments debating the opposite side when it comes to parsing or to DPS debates (healer DPS, tank DPS, DPS AOEing, etc.).