Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
There ya go, you didn't read the OP at all. It looks that you are using this thread to vent your frustrations, more than anything. I understand that, but I'd advice you to read it again, carefully. No one here is demanding what you're saying.
eh, you're right on that part(I read it after) and for that I'll apologize for just whining all over the place. but if you do look at the OP's examples, everything is a pretty exaggerated scenario. exceedingly basic, shorthand examples with few details and particularly bad practices. these players do exist but the examples are pretty hyperbolic.

what I'm getting at is that people who do that are not people whose standards I would put myself in service to.