Question about Balmung.

[SorrowsEnd]

it crashes the entire datacentre each time a new patch goes live

You do realize that it isn't Balmung that crashes the server right?
It's everybody from Aether getting on at the same time.

[BillyKaplan]

You do realize that it isn't Balmung that crashes the server right?
It's everybody from Aether getting on at the same time.

Servers have their own capacity and management to an extent. Servers can and do crash independently without the other servers on the data server suffering. I remember one time early SB Gilgamesh crashed and suddenly all of Balmung could go through Raubahn extreme it was glorious. But the rest of the data center yet lived.
When Balmung goes down, on the other hand...

[reiichi]

You do realize that it isn't Balmung that crashes the server right?
It's everybody from Aether getting on at the same time.

while everyone on Aether contributes, Aether's also got some of the most populated servers. Balmung can and does crash the entire datacenter at times. It was also one of the only servers that needed to keep the multiple zone instances and AFK timers. Square Enix also had to initiate nightly server reboots during Stormblood to keep our queues down. Queses over 3000 people that took MULTIPLE HOURS to get through. Imagine not even being able to login because you had thousands of people ahead of you in line and the server was so overfilled that five hours later, assuming you didn't get a 90k, you were still waiting to get in. That was Balmung.

If haven't, go back and read my post on page 7. I already went into detail on what can and cannot be done.

[SorrowsEnd]

while everyone on Aether contributes, Aether's also got some of the most populated servers. Balmung can and does crash the entire datacenter at times. It was also one of the only servers that needed to keep the multiple zone instances and AFK timers. Square Enix also had to initiate nightly server reboots during Stormblood to keep our queues down. Queses over 3000 people that took MULTIPLE HOURS to get through. Imagine not even being able to login because you had thousands of people ahead of you in line and the server was so overfilled that five hours later, assuming you didn't get a 90k, you were still waiting to get in. That was Balmung.

If haven't, go back and read my post on page 7. I already went into detail on what can and cannot be done.

Balmung does not crash the server itself theirs no proof of that. It does not help it being the biggest on Aether however it does not crash the server. Its everybody getting on at once that does it. If Balmung crashes itself of course others are able to exp better connections because 21-22k people on whats like a 10yr server is gone.

[reiichi]

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First, Aether's a datacenter. Balmung's individual zones have crashed. While not a population issue, there was that fishing bug recently that would bring down worlds until SE first removed the spots, then finally addressed the issue.

Second, Balmung going down wouldn't just clear up connections. Servers don't work that way. Clients will try to reconnect. They'll also all get kicked back to the Lobby server, which hey, that's "Aether" there. And well...overload the lobby server and there goes the entire datacenter's access to get into every world on that datacenter.

Third, these servers aren't 10 years old. Assuming that SE recycled all their servers, the ones used in the now 7 year old 1.0 would have stayed in Japan. I kinda do this for a living, but you generally try to avoid shipping heavy expensive hardware overseas. Aether was previously in Montreal and now it's in California. Likely, they didn't ship the physical machines either and leased out hardware or just bought new machines. But a bigger and better machine can't always fix these issues. There's still packet processing and packet broadcasting to take into account, which is why the world is locked.

tldr: So like I explain on page 7, you can and do hit physical limitations, whether processing, bandwidth, latency, or a combination based on how many people are connected where. There's a minimal game experience that needs to happen and Balmung already impacts that. Until its population decreases enough for it to be considered stable in the long-term, it's not gonna open.

[KaivaC]

You do realize that it isn't Balmung that crashes the server right?
It's everybody from Aether getting on at the same time.

You do realize that many players have experienced this before, and likely know a lot more about what they are talking about than you. You keep on pressing this argument that you clearly don't understand.

[SorrowsEnd]

You do realize that many players have experienced this before, and likely know a lot more about what they are talking about than you. You keep on pressing this argument that you clearly don't understand.

Yet you're still here you do not have to be here nor with your kind of attitude.

[KaivaC]

Yet you're still here you do not have to be here nor with your kind of attitude.

This kind of attitude is spawned from you continually pushing something that you aren't understanding. Balmung needs to stay locked up for the time being until SE can update their infrastructure. I haven't personally experienced it, but I do personally know plenty of players who have experiences that occurred because of Balmung. Is it Balmung's fault all the time when Aether crashes? Absolutely not. But the fact that a single server can and has in the past crashed an entire datacentre should be enough to show why opening it up, even with this lull in players in between patches, is a bad idea at this point in time.

Say that SE does let just you into the server - and just you. Given the thread here, it won't be hard for other players who want to be on Balmung to find out - then they'll be clamoring for them to be let in for the exact same reasons. It's been a while since the thread was addressing that, but how is that fair if they only let you in, but not the many, many, many other players who've been asking to get in for months.

[SorrowsEnd]

This kind of attitude is spawned from you continually pushing something that you aren't understanding. Balmung needs to stay locked up for the time being until SE can update their infrastructure. I haven't personally experienced it, but I do personally know plenty of players who have experiences that occurred because of Balmung. Is it Balmung's fault all the time when Aether crashes? Absolutely not. But the fact that a single server can and has in the past crashed an entire datacentre should be enough to show why opening it up, even with this lull in players in between patches, is a bad idea at this point in time.

Say that SE does let just you into the server - and just you. Given the thread here, it won't be hard for other players who want to be on Balmung to find out - then they'll be clamoring for them to be let in for the exact same reasons. It's been a while since the thread was addressing that, but how is that fair if they only let you in, but not the many, many, many other players who've been asking to get in for months.

I've stated previously that I do not want just me in the locked servers I dont want there too be locked servers. I don't want others unable to play with their friends. Also your attitude spawned from your own self, every balmung post you're there with the same attitude. You also came into this forum post stating the obvious it's locked while providing nothing to the actual question of is their any info. Few have given sites, interviews etc things the post asked for you've done nothing but state the obvious. FFXIV servers itself aren't good not just Aether its the entire system it can barely handle a patch day without something going wrong let alone a dlc, finally again its not Balmung crashing the servers its everybody that signs in at the same time. The servers cant handle at mass the population the game has which is why people would like for better servers which is a logically and reasonable request from a company with millions and millions.

[Aramina]

I've stated previously that I do not want just me in the locked servers I dont want there too be locked servers. I don't want others unable to play with their friends.

That's nice, but unless you are willing to pay for upgrading everything so they can unlock servers and keep them that way.... then what you want or don't want is completely irrelevant to the situation.