Request Repair

[Krotoan]

This would also bring the expectation with it that everyone with a crafter is willing to repair gear inside a duty.
And no i don't want to start a duty by repairing the gear of my whole party (worst case example).
Also this could undermine the great perc of a leveled crafter to repair the own gear in dungeons and make it even more undesired to level a crafter themself.

nobody levels a crafter JUST for repairs.
I'm confident enough in the fact that the effort involved in leveling ANY crafting class to cap far outweighs any benefits that "oh.. forgot to fix my stuff" repairs give. All the examples you give for why you shouldn't EVER forget to repair and you then say it's a great perk?
For gods sake I have to REMIND HEALERS TO TAKE ESUNA, god forbid having a crafter leveled lets you do something you can reasonably refuse or ask for money to do and possibly save yourself and 2 other people from waiting in another 20 minute queue.

This example is griefing but to reject a repair request can also be classified as griefing. This option can be a double-edged sword and bring more problems then solutions.

Refusing to do a dungeon until you get a repair that costs a crafter money is griefing. Votekicking someone who IN CHAT HAS STATED THEY WILL NOT RUN UNTIL THEY GET A FREE FIX is not griefing in any definable way.

[Legion88]

nobody levels a crafter JUST for repairs.
I'm confident enough in the fact that the effort involved in leveling ANY crafting class to cap far outweighs any benefits that "oh.. forgot to fix my stuff" repairs give. All the examples you give for why you shouldn't EVER forget to repair and you then say it's a great perk?
For gods sake I have to REMIND HEALERS TO TAKE ESUNA, god forbid having a crafter leveled lets you do something you can reasonably refuse or ask for money to do and possibly save yourself and 2 other people from waiting in another 20 minute queue.

I leveled my crafters only to repair my gear beyond 100%, also some of my friends are doing it for this sole reason. It is relativly easy with the corresponding beast tribes.
Also you don't need crafters at levelcap to repair gear. It is enough to have it 10 levels below or like stated on the gear itself. Current level 70 gear of all ilvl only needs level 60 crafters and all level 60 gear only needs a level 50 crafter.
The perk is to repair beyound 100% this doesn't exclude the need to repair in itself.
Also beside your not so profecience healers, you can't trade inside duties. What makes you belive that you can request a tip for repairing inside a duty?

Refusing to do a dungeon until you get a repair that costs a crafter money is griefing. Votekicking someone who IN CHAT HAS STATED THEY WILL NOT RUN UNTIL THEY GET A FREE FIX is not griefing in any definable way.

It was never stated, that it costs the crafter anything to repair, so would you not asume it just to make your argument more fitting without stating it beforehand.
In the assumtion that the crafter has to bring in the materials to repair your example is griefing, it may also be griefing/harassment if the requester has to bring in the materials. In this example the wording is the big deal.
Another example:
"Hey, it seems i forgot to repair my gear before the duty and it will break every second. Can you fix it please? I got all you need."
in this example a votekick can be classified as griefing/harassment also the rejection of the repair can be classified as griefing or harassment.

The problem is:
If the repair costs are by the crafter the pointy end points towards the requester.
If the repair costs ar by the requester the pointy end points to the crafter.
Also the wording is a big deal.
If i come in like a rowdy "You! Repair my gear or nothing good will happen!" is more or less griefing/harassment in itself.
But if i do it with an angels voice like a sweet princess with the eyes of a welp (i can't write like that so no example) it moves the burden.

[Krotoan]

I leveled my crafters only to repair my gear beyond 100%, also some of my friends are doing it for this sole reason. It is relativly easy with the corresponding beast tribes.
Also you don't need crafters at levelcap to repair gear. It is enough to have it 10 levels below or like stated on the gear itself. Current level 70 gear of all ilvl only needs level 60 crafters and all level 60 gear only needs a level 50 crafter.
The perk is to repair beyound 100% this doesn't exclude the need to repair in itself.
Also beside your not so profecience healers, you can't trade inside duties. What makes you belive that you can request a tip for repairing inside a duty?

You are a rare, RARE crafter then. Nobody I know who crafts does it for that. It costs so much in time and/or gil that if all you want is repairs or overloading your durability it seems insane.But hey, I don't pay your sub, more power to you. However you still listed many reasons you basically would never need this skill or perk. 100% is a lot of wiggle room and with menders everywhere who ever needs more?

I will admit here too many assumptions were made. I assumed you understood repairs required a catalyst and assumed that this cost will not change if this system is implemented. When you COULD repair someones gear in 1.0 you would get a trade window with slots to put gear to be repaired and a slot to put in a Gil amount because it cost mats even back then (it used to use a component of the crafting, like thread or cotton for cloth items) . I'm also assuming this is how it gets implemented again since this game is still based on those same systems but perhaps only using dark matter for all repairs because going backwards into more item bloat would cause a lot of backlash. Therefore my entire premise is that this is the system to be used: Initiate repair request, player accepts, items to be fixed are dragged to correct slots and "tip" (this will end up being a known value for the mats) entered. Both players hit "agree" and poof. Done. Crafter gets paid for their mats and possibly a little more for the help and everyone is set.

It was never stated, that it costs the crafter anything to repair, so would you not asume it just to make your argument more fitting without stating it beforehand.
In the assumtion that the crafter has to bring in the materials to repair your example is griefing, it may also be griefing/harassment if the requester has to bring in the materials. In this example the wording is the big deal.
Another example:
"Hey, it seems i forgot to repair my gear before the duty and it will break every second. Can you fix it please? I got all you need."
in this example a votekick can be classified as griefing/harassment also the rejection of the repair can be classified as griefing or harassment.

The problem is:
If the repair costs are by the crafter the pointy end points towards the requester.
If the repair costs ar by the requester the pointy end points to the crafter.
Also the wording is a big deal.
If i come in like a rowdy "You! Repair my gear or nothing good will happen!" is more or less griefing/harassment in itself.
But if i do it with an angels voice like a sweet princess with the eyes of a welp (i can't write like that so no example) it moves the burden.

The first example you present is not griefing, and any reasonable crafter would be fine with that request as it would take seconds to complete and benefits everyone. In what way did I imply at all that a polite request would be met with a votekick? AND.. even in that case kicking someone unprepared to do a dungeon, is STILL not griefing. You will not get punished for kicking someone who even politely refuses to do their job (wear level appropriate gear, perform mechanics at a reasonable pace), even if you are able to repair their gear it is not your responsibility to do it since in the example I've now fleshed out you would have to spend items/gil and that is your choice to do so. It will still never be the fault of the crafter.
YES the wording is a big deal, I am surprised you cannot extrapolate my example to mean all negative demands. HOWEVER, even demanding... uh.. "with an angels voice like a sweet princess with the eyes of a welp" which I'm assuming you mean being polite and or using flowery language is still a demand or ultimatum, in which case you can still votekick and have text evidence that they were intending to delay running until services were rendered.

[ElHeggunte]

nobody levels a crafter JUST for repairs.

I did. Well, and also for glamours (which have since been made far easier to obtain *sigh*), but I mostly did it for repairs.

if you add incentives to make people repair at NPC's instead it wont. Like make it cheaper.. or give more Durability back if you get it repaired at an NPC.

Those are literally two of the benefits you get from bothering to level your crafters, so no.

[Krotoan]

I did. Well, and also for glamours (which have since been made far easier to obtain *sigh*), but I mostly did it for repairs.



Those are literally two of the benefits you get from bothering to level your crafters, so no.

so you did level it exclusively for repairs, except for how you didn't?

if all crafters charged more for in dungeon repairs , or if repairing someone ELSES items only restored 70% (up to a max of 70% in total)instead of another 100% it would penalize NOT using them without penalizing the actual crafter.

[ElHeggunte]

so you did level it exclusively for repairs, except for how you didn't?

if all crafters charged more for in dungeon repairs , or if repairing someone ELSES items only restored 70% (up to a max of 70% in total)instead of another 100% it would penalize NOT using them without penalizing the actual crafter.

I had initially started leveling them exclusively for repairs. Along the way I realized I could also manufacture my own prisms and other items too. But I originally intended to do it only for repairs and is still what I use it for most.

And Requested repairs being vastly inferior (either via cost or percent recovered) is something I can get behind. It'll work in a pinch, doesn't screw over crafters, and incentivizes players to better maintain their own equipment either by leveling their crafters or using the NPCs.