How would you make RDM more complex?

[EllieShadeflare]

I'd just make Verwater/Verblizzard 150-200 potency but with a similar 5s cast time like on Veraero/Verthunder. Also, Enchanted Moulinet should be 250-300 potency.

...and maybe increase the potency of Enchanted Riposte to 250, Enchanted Zwerchau to 300, and Enchanted Redoublement to... 500.

I'd almost suggest an Ultima spell for an AoE finisher as well, but Iunno. :V

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I'd just make Verwater/Verblizzard 150-200 potency but with a similar 5s cast time like on Veraero/Verthunder. Also, Enchanted Moulinet should be 250-300 potency.

...and maybe increase the potency of Enchanted Riposte to 250, Enchanted Zwerchau to 300, and Enchanted Redoublement to... 500.

I'd almost suggest an Ultima spell for an AoE finisher as well, but Iunno. :V

Can't do Ultima though, Hydaelyn would be like, "No, wait don't do that." And then we'd bring about another Calamity

[EllieShadeflare]

Can't do Ultima though, Hydaelyn would be like, "No, wait don't do that." And then we'd bring about another Calamity

That's fair. Ultima was the first that came to mind, because it's a Black and White neutral spell, trading hands from game to game. Otherwise, Iunno what'd be a good replacement/analogue.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I know... they don't have many neutral spells, the only notable example is Ardor from ff12 which is Red Mage exclusive

[Kabooa]

Summoner's hogging all the neutral spells.

Those dicks.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Ugh I know. I'm irked they changed the sound effect for Ruin from what it was in 13, it looked and sounded so pretty in those games. The whole spell is just pretty, just shooting a pearl light with streaks of black in it. So aesthetically pleasing.

[Shurrikhan]

Ugh I know. I'm irked they changed the sound effect for Ruin from what it was in 13, it looked and sounded so pretty in those games. The whole spell is just pretty, just shooting a pearl light with streaks of black in it. So aesthetically pleasing.

I wanted something like XIII's Ruinga so badly, especially if it could later be aspected in a (Summon-)unique way. Bahamut trance --> black hole Ruinga... But alas.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Ruinga was probably the most beautiful spell I had ever seen in my gaming career with the only competitor coming close being Chaos Storm from GW2

[Ceallach]

Eh, I can't see Verultima becoming a thing. For one, Verholy and Verflare are already weakened versions of the original spells. Ours are single-target, the originals are AoE. Even if we did get access to Ultima, we'd have to get access to something like Benediction to make it even. Remember, red mage in this game does everything in pairs: two black magic spells, two white magic spells, two red magic spells, two AoE attacks, two attack abilities, two two-minute recasts, two positioning attacks, two ways to spend your mana, two combo finishers, etc.

[Sylvain]

So, after reading many post,
beside adding some AoE (which I fail to see how this would make the RDM more complex since not even 10% of all bosses require AoE)

What were the interesting suggestion regarding making this job more complex?