How would you make RDM more complex?

[TarynH]

That's simply not a viable option, you may like it simple but a very large portion of RDM's are going to be upset if it has no mechanical changes from one expansion to the next. Not to mention, that's not a real idea, tbh that's just complacent.

It's not complacency. Complacency would be saying you want no changes to anything ever. I stated it would be wiser to spend more time on the jobs that need it, and give RDM very few changes. RDM was meant to be simple and fun. It's simple and fun. So the old adage of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," applies to the job.

As it stands right now, RDM is fine where it's at; for what it is. It doesn't need "mechanical" changes. You also assume a lot, in that they need to change every job with every expansion. Job gauges aside, most jobs changed very little with 4.0, while a few didn't really change at all. Only one had a complete overhaul. So you're rushing to conclusions a little here too.

Yes, it might get a few changes. Or they could just simply add tiers of spells and traits, with one ability/spell at 80. (Assuming they even raise the level cap.) I really don't care, as far as that goes. As long as it stays RDM. I, for one, am perfectly happy with the basic concepts of the job, and don't want to see it become overly complex. So excuse me when I see you write things like "mechanical changes," and "maintenance buffs;" and it gets me thinking you just want the job to have busy work to fit your personal needs and levels of excitement.

And I also don't care if you "don't want a discussion." Writing that does not make your thread the Holy Grail, behind an untouchable glass case. If others don't want to see RDM changed, they're entitled to voice that opinion on here. Especially in a thread where one person wants to control the flow of the discussion like that, or suppress dissenting viewpoints. "Don't change RDM," is every bit as important as your asinine suggestions in the OP.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Where exactly is your dev testimonial about how simple it's supposed to be? Unless You personally designed RDM I wouldn't deign to make that claim. You said no changes beyond tier spells which aren't actual changes. I didn't say it needed a complete overhaul nor did I say it needed to be overly complex. In fact I specifically stated i didn't want that. Most jobs in 4.0 changed the additional mechanics almost all of them received in 3.0 or added them if they didn't already have them. My suggestions were far from asinine whereas your, "Waah I want it to stay overtly simple," argument ended with 'well play a different class lol'. I don't want a discussion with, yes complacent, people like yourself. It's not controlling discussion I literally didn't want to engage with you in any way but now you've gone and messed up the thread with your pointless panic crusade. If any easy to maintain buff like the one I suggested or either of the long cooldowns I suggested are too complex for you I'm extremely skeptical of your critical thinking skills.

Let me be perfectly clear here, I don't have some dastardly intention to deceive what devs gather as feedback. I don't want to convince everyone that complexity is the only viable option. I literally have 0 to say to the people that want to keep it simple because they're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince them so why waste the effort on something I don't care about? Plainly the intention was to drum up some interesting ideas about how to add complexity to RDM not fritter away my time with whether or not I should. You're the one controlling discussion. You immediately derailed the topic with the other two in the span of 2 minutes and you could've kept browsing. The onus is on you.

[Neela]

And I didn't "attack." Get over yourself. I stated an opinion, and you called me out. Thus dragging out the conversation to this point, despite you "not wanting a discussion." Simple as that.

Especially in a thread where one person wants to control the flow of the discussion like that, or suppress dissenting viewpoints. "Don't change RDM Blm does not need a res," is every bit as important as your asinine suggestions in the OP.

this sounds so fck familiar, right Llugen? ;'3

@topic the least complicated way to give them a kind of variety without loosing the base-simplicity are alternative melee-combos or combo-finisher - leaving the base- & proc mechanic as it is. Imo : /

[TarynH]

this sounds so fck familiar, right Llugen? ;'3

Who's Llugen, and do you think about them often?