How would you make RDM more complex?

[Ceallach]

We could use more area attacks than Scatter and Moulinet. How about new spells that work off of Enhanced Scatter? For example, let's say the next expansion raises the level cap to 80.

Level 72: Scattershot
Trait
Improves chance of acquiring Enhanced Scatter from casting Scatter to 50%.

Level 75: Verwater
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 150 water
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies hit take 30 potency water damage over time for 21 seconds. Grants 5 white mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

Level 78: Verblizzard
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 200 ice
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies other than the first two hit do 5% less damage for 10 seconds. Grants 5 black mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

We could use more area attacks than Scatter and Moulinet. How about new spells that work off of Enhanced Scatter? For example, let's say the next expansion raises the level cap to 80.

Level 72: Scattershot
Trait
Improves chance of acquiring Enhanced Scatter from casting Scatter to 50%.

Level 75: Verwater
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 150 water
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies hit take 30 potency water damage over time for 21 seconds. Grants 5 white mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

Level 78: Verblizzard
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 200 ice
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies other than the first two hit do 5% less damage for 10 seconds. Grants 5 black mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

So would the MO here be to do Scatter->Scatter then Verblizzard->Verwater (or Vice Versa) until you had to return to Scatter->Scatter? I like the suggestion it just seems like making it also operate off of Enhanced Scatter would require a very fast reaction time to use Scatter->Verwater/Verblizzard or Verblizzard->Verwater. I want to clarify that my tone here is purely inquiring, I feel like I'm coming off snarky.

[Shurrikhan]

We could use more area attacks than Scatter and Moulinet. How about new spells that work off of Enhanced Scatter? For example, let's say the next expansion raises the level cap to 80.

Level 72: Scattershot
Trait
Improves chance of acquiring Enhanced Scatter from casting Scatter to 50%.

Level 75: Verwater
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 150 water
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies hit take 30 potency water damage over time for 21 seconds. Grants 5 white mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

Level 78: Verblizzard
Spell
MP Cost: equal to Impact
Potency: 200 ice
Range: 25 yalms, hits target and all enemies within a 5-yalm radius of target
Requires Enhanced Scatter to be cast. All enemies other than the first two hit do 5% less damage for 10 seconds. Grants 5 black mana. 25% chance of granting the caster Enhanced Scatter.

But does this actually increase complexity in any way? Granted I'd need to know what Verblizzard's actual damage and effect on the first two targets are, but without significant situational variance this seems like more of the braindead categoricals (more a matter of bloat than options) scorned on the first page.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

But does this actually increase complexity in any way? Granted I'd need to know what Verblizzard's actual damage and effect on the first two targets are, but without significant situational variance this seems like more of the braindead categoricals (more a matter of bloat than options) scorned on the first page.

Considering it's AoE focused and our current AoE is the same button for most of a fight then a second one for 4.5 seconds, I'd probably put it closer to complexity, particularly if it also consumes Enhanced Scatter since the likelihood of wasted procs (and therefore wasted DPS) increases a bit making AoE something to actively pay attention to rather than pressing the same button one handed and browsing Reddit on my phone with the other.

[Jukebox12]

I am pretty sure that if white mage cannot do water damage spells red mage wouldn't.

[Dualgunner]

I am pretty sure that if white mage cannot do water damage spells red mage wouldn't.

Fluid Aura.

[Ceallach]

So would the MO here be to do Scatter->Scatter then Verblizzard->Verwater (or Vice Versa) until you had to return to Scatter->Scatter? I like the suggestion it just seems like making it also operate off of Enhanced Scatter would require a very fast reaction time to use Scatter->Verwater/Verblizzard or Verblizzard->Verwater. I want to clarify that my tone here is purely inquiring, I feel like I'm coming off snarky.

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The idea here would be fast reaction time to try to use Enhanced Scatter for Verwater or Verblizzard, so you'd ideally go Scatter/Verwater, Scatter/Verblizzard, or Verblizzard/Verwater. I think I made Verwater too strong, honestly, but this is the basic idea.

But does this actually increase complexity in any way? Granted I'd need to know what Verblizzard's actual damage and effect on the first two targets are, but without significant situational variance this seems like more of the braindead categoricals (more a matter of bloat than options) scorned on the first page.

The effect on the first two targets is literally everything except for the damage decrease. I didn't want the area attack rotation to be abused against raid bosses. ^^;

I thought SE's stated direction was to try and make the jobs less complex. This seems to be going against that idea of simplification.

Yes, but not all players agree with that stance.

[Kabooa]

I'd add a few single mana spenders, as well as a few conditions that allow more accelerated mana gains. The goal is to build towards your big pay off while also using the single mana spenders for impactful effects.

Berserk
Ability
Recast: 45 seconds
Cost: 25 Black Mana
Effect: Grant the target party member 'Berserk', increasing their damage dealt and their Resource Costs by 20% for 20 seconds.

Refresh
Ability
Recast: 45 seconds
Cost: 25 White Mana
Effect: Grants the target party member Refresh, restoring their TP and MP for 15 seconds.

Impact: Impact gains a trait based on the spell cast prior to it. Impact no longer requires Jolt to be cast and no longer generates Mana on its own.
-Scatter: Impact deals 40% less damage but hits all targets within 5y of the primary target. Generates 3/3 Mana.
-VerFire/Thunder: Impact generates 8 Black mana and increases further black mana gains by X% for the next 20 seconds. Overrides the White mana generation boost.
-VerStone/Aero: Impact generates 8 white mana and increases further White mana gains by X% for the next 20 seconds. Overrides the Black mana generation boost.
-Verflare: Impact grants you Berserk for 20 seconds.
-VerHoly: Impact grants you Refresh for 15 seconds.

[TarynH]

Refresh
Ability
Recast: 45 seconds
Cost: 25 White Mana
Effect: Grants the target party member Refresh, restoring their TP and MP for 15 seconds.

/sigh

There's going to be additions, you might as well give them ideas for which buttons you want to press and how often.

Okay then. My idea is to keep RDM simple, with no additions. (Traits and tiers to spells aside.) Spend the rest of development time on other more complicated jobs. Some of which desperately need it.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

That's simply not a viable option, you may like it simple but a very large portion of RDM's are going to be upset if it has no mechanical changes from one expansion to the next. Not to mention, that's not a real idea, tbh that's just complacent.