The Aurum Vale

[HyoMinPark]

You classify it as need and I classify it as want. Really Fates and POTD are your only xp/min choices before level 50 compared to aurum vale. That is why it will never be a need for me. The game has more then enough xp choices. If the only other option was fate I would also give people a pass like early 2.0.

Need for you; your specific needs do not reflect the needs of other players. Some want to queue directly into a dungeon and get experience that way (as opposed to FATEs/PotD), so who are you to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to queue and run it and kill those Morbol Seedlings unless they “need the dungeon” (I’m assuming you say this as a “I need to complete it for the GC requirements/first time completion”), or get it in a roulette?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Was a chart on reddit and dungeon xp/min was not the highest as of 4.0.

I have seen those charts. They're talking about DPS jobs due to dungeon queues. Seeing tanks and healers do not have this issue, dungeon are always a viable alternative assuming mega pulls. The breakdown is:

1-50: Squadrons > PotD = Dungeons (Assuming all possible buffs and near-instant queues)
51-60: Dungeons > (Instant queues) > Squadrons = PotD (Squadrons lose value around 54-55)
61: Dungeons (Sirensong is actually inferior to Gubal Hard with a fast group)

Regardless, dungeons are designed for EXP should people prefer that method hence why they give EXP in the first place.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And this is why you used to see lots of dps que for it that did not need it. Lots of comments about people needing the dungeon. No lots of people want you to carry them for xp. It is pretty obvious when someone is new. Generally they are silent. Pretty obivous when someone got bored of fates and wants you to dungeon farm. "Lets kill everything and hatch all the morbols." This shouldn't even be a thing dungeon should only come up as roulette or someone who needs it. Not to farm someone a bunch of xp where there are much better choices.

Dungeons offer the highest EXP in the game. PotD only grew in popularity because DPS queues are abysmal. For tanks and healers, there is no better choice if all they're after is levels.

[Solarianna]

Seems the OP was either dealt with or "left the building", so it's pointless for me to lurk here any longer :P

Even though I absolutely hate AV myself, I'm extremely glad that many people have shown up that like/love AV, and came to show it. It proves the point I was trying to make in the last few pages versus the OP and someone else.

Having different tastes is more than healthy, and just because a group of people don't like a particular piece of content, it doesn't mean it needs any sort of changing/fixing, as long as there is a group of people who enjoy it as is. This game is versatile enough that it has content for all tastes.

Trying to do what the OP did, as in, trying to start a loud bloodbath to change content that a part of the playerbase likes, just because he/she personally doesn't, is narcisistic to say the least. Especially when he/she claims without a hint of self-consciousness to leave the dungeon and the people in the group just because he/she refuses to complete the part of the content he/she queued for that he/she doesn't like. All of this while holding a status that exists in the game to function as an example and a lighthouse of sorts to others.

Either ways, compliments to all of you who managed to keep it civil, even though the OP was abrasive, obnoxious, and obviously trying to start a fire.

All of you, have a good one.

[ChameleonMS]

Even though I absolutely hate AV myself, I'm extremely glad that many people have shown up that like/love AV, and came to show it. It proves the point I was trying to make in the last few pages versus the OP and someone else.... Either ways, compliments to all of you who managed to keep it civil, even though the OP was abrasive, obnoxious, and obviously trying to start a fire.

As the "someone else" in this comment, I truly thank you for the civil conversation about AV the dungeon.

I realize, I have not actually stated my personal opinion on AV yet, here it is for the record, "Meh! It is harder than most levelling dungeons and any run can go to hell pretty quickly when people make mistakes. But there is nothing functionally wrong with it."

I ask the following question, "Since, you hate AV. What would you like to see changed about it to improve your experience in AV?"

[Solarianna]

I ask the following question, "Since, you hate AV. What would you like to see changed about it to improve your experience in AV?"

What makes me despise the dungeon is related to visibility issues during progress and lack of visual appeal to me. Changes that could better this would probably interfere with monster models/sizes and room sizes, and perhaps even with theme. Which would obviously mess with things that are part of the thematic that many people love.

So my answer to "Since I hate AV, what would I change?" is very simple. Nothing.

Let the people who enjoy it as is, enjoy it thoroughly just as I enjoy the dungeons that I enjoy I'll be perfectly fine praying not to get it in a roulette, and in the odd times I do get it, I'll do my best to come through in whatever role I bring to make sure me and my group finish it successfully so we can all grab what we individually came for (be it the roulette rewards, xp, MSQ completion or even loot) and be done with it with no unnecessary hassle or confrontation :P

That's what I've been doing up until now and I'm fine with it :P

[Imragarn]

Aurum Vale...

the sweet, sweeeeeeeeet 40 min wait as a DPS... just to see the tank "lol not gonna do this, nope"
I hate it just for that.

I would love a special 3H coward penality just for this place.

[LunaTsukihime]

Aurum Vale...

the sweet, sweeeeeeeeet 40 min wait as a DPS... just to see the tank "lol not gonna do this, nope"
I hate it just for that.

I would love a special 3H coward penality just for this place.

Make it so the only Duty they can do is Aurum Vale, no other until it IS done.

[LunaTsukihime]

What bothers me right now is that the TC is nowhere to be found, probably tucked tail and is complaining somewhere else that we are mean and don't want our game messed with just because the special snowflake wants it.

Wonder if it has the gall to reply again at some point.

[Zitah]

I've had a few friends start playing recently, and they're at the point where they run into this...ugh. They both play DPS jobs, so getting their clear wasn't going to be an easy feat since the tank and/or healer seem to bail out before we even notice what it is. Luckily we had a tank tonight who said they actually found it enjoyable. I warned my friends that this is a rarity. LOL

After the first room, it ain't horrible. But I'd rather take Sastasha (Hard) and I kinda hate that place.