The Aurum Vale

[Imragarn]

Aurum Vale...

the sweet, sweeeeeeeeet 40 min wait as a DPS... just to see the tank "lol not gonna do this, nope"
I hate it just for that.

I would love a special 3H coward penality just for this place.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And this is why you used to see lots of dps que for it that did not need it. Lots of comments about people needing the dungeon. No lots of people want you to carry them for xp. It is pretty obvious when someone is new. Generally they are silent. Pretty obivous when someone got bored of fates and wants you to dungeon farm. "Lets kill everything and hatch all the morbols." This shouldn't even be a thing dungeon should only come up as roulette or someone who needs it. Not to farm someone a bunch of xp where there are much better choices.

Dungeons offer the highest EXP in the game. PotD only grew in popularity because DPS queues are abysmal. For tanks and healers, there is no better choice if all they're after is levels.

[Moonlite]

Dungeons are the best source of experience, and that has always been the case. FATEs don't even come close (aside from the fact that they are extremely boring). What exactly is so wrong with people letting the Morbols hatch and killing them for the extra experience? I fail to understand your logic.

People who queue directly into AV at level 47~49 are people that need the dungeon and need the experience, because dungeons are always the best source of experience, especially when you’re at-level for a specific one. Maybe some would rather do actual dungeons instead of speedrunning PotD or grinding FATEs.

You classify it as need and I classify it as want. Really Fates and POTD are your only xp/min choices before level 50 compared to aurum vale. That is why it will never be a need for me. The game has more then enough xp choices. If the only other option was fate I would also give people a pass like early 2.0.

Dungeons offer the highest EXP in the game. PotD only grew in popularity because DPS queues are abysmal. For tanks and healers, there is no better choice if all they're after is levels.

Was a chart on reddit and dungeon xp/min was not the highest as of 4.0.

[LunaTsukihime]

Aurum Vale...

the sweet, sweeeeeeeeet 40 min wait as a DPS... just to see the tank "lol not gonna do this, nope"
I hate it just for that.

I would love a special 3H coward penality just for this place.

Make it so the only Duty they can do is Aurum Vale, no other until it IS done.

[HyoMinPark]

You classify it as need and I classify it as want. Really Fates and POTD are your only xp/min choices before level 50 compared to aurum vale. That is why it will never be a need for me. The game has more then enough xp choices. If the only other option was fate I would also give people a pass like early 2.0.

Need for you; your specific needs do not reflect the needs of other players. Some want to queue directly into a dungeon and get experience that way (as opposed to FATEs/PotD), so who are you to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to queue and run it and kill those Morbol Seedlings unless they “need the dungeon” (I’m assuming you say this as a “I need to complete it for the GC requirements/first time completion”), or get it in a roulette?

[Solarianna]

I ask the following question, "Since, you hate AV. What would you like to see changed about it to improve your experience in AV?"

What makes me despise the dungeon is related to visibility issues during progress and lack of visual appeal to me. Changes that could better this would probably interfere with monster models/sizes and room sizes, and perhaps even with theme. Which would obviously mess with things that are part of the thematic that many people love.

So my answer to "Since I hate AV, what would I change?" is very simple. Nothing.

Let the people who enjoy it as is, enjoy it thoroughly just as I enjoy the dungeons that I enjoy I'll be perfectly fine praying not to get it in a roulette, and in the odd times I do get it, I'll do my best to come through in whatever role I bring to make sure me and my group finish it successfully so we can all grab what we individually came for (be it the roulette rewards, xp, MSQ completion or even loot) and be done with it with no unnecessary hassle or confrontation :P

That's what I've been doing up until now and I'm fine with it :P

[Moonlite]

Need for you; your specific needs do not reflect the needs of other players. Some want to queue directly into a dungeon and get experience that way (as opposed to FATEs/PotD), so who are you to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to queue and run it and kill those Morbol Seedlings unless they “need the dungeon” (I’m assuming you say this as a “I need to complete it for the GC requirements/first time completion”), or get it in a roulette?

That is right need for each player. While Aurum Vale should not under go any changes. Nor should penalty be removed if you ditch it. If "you" need it for experience and someone else does not, they should not have to stay. It is very clear that the pro aurum vale people can not respect the others players needs to do it or chose not to do it. Shown by the posts right above you.

The morbol seedlings aren't supposed to hatch it is like that stupid fate in N than that xpers abused. It is a mechanic designed to punish for not doing the right thing. Dungeons I thought were meant to be completed. Not abuse systems to increase experience my mistake.

[LunaTsukihime]

What bothers me right now is that the TC is nowhere to be found, probably tucked tail and is complaining somewhere else that we are mean and don't want our game messed with just because the special snowflake wants it.

Wonder if it has the gall to reply again at some point.

[HyoMinPark]

That is right need for each player. While Aurum Vale should not under go any changes. Nor should penalty be removed from it. If "you" need it for experience and someone else does not they should not have to stay. It is very clear that the pro aurum vale people can not respect the others players needs to do it or chose not to do it. Shown by the posts right above you.

Did you even read this thread? The OP got AV in a Leveling Roulette and left the Duty immediately because they didn’t want to do it. Considering you’re advocating how people should only do AV if they “need it” or if it pops up in a roulette...

The OP was in the wrong to queue into Leveling Roulette and abandon 3 other players (well 2 since some other person decided they also didn’t like their roulette) just because the roulette gave them a dungeon that they don’t like. If you don’t like the choices in a roulette, don’t roll the roulette. Because there is a very likely chance you’ll land in that very dungeon you hate. Considering the OP’s history in Faerie’s Novice Network (which was made very clear on the OF back when those threads were still around) and the fact that they’re a mentor, their actions are even more inexcusable. What if one of the other people in their party needed AV for first-time completion or for the GC ranking requirement?

Aside from the fact that a lot of “pro-AV” posters are saying that AV is excellent in its design that it actually makes people think before they pull the entire first room. It is actually a challenging dungeon in the sea of other faceroll repeat dungeons. I, for one, appreciate the fact that it’s still a challenging dungeon that cannot just be steamrolled through. Also, maybe some of the posters here are tired of people asking the developers to change/nerf content that does not need to be changed/nerfed.

The morbol seedlings aren't supposed to hatch it is like that stupid fate in N than that xpers abused. It is a mechanic designed to punish for not doing the right thing. Dungeons I thought were meant to be completed. Not abuse systems to increase experience my mistake.

“We’re going to punish players for failing a mechanic by awarding them extra experience!”. Again, what exactly is wrong with wanting MORE experience for doing content?

Dungeons are meant for not only first-time completion for MSQ/GC objectives, but also as sources for leveling. Hence why you can queue into them directly repeatedly after completing them the first time. If they weren’t meant to be used as good sources for leveling, the mobs in them would give the same amount of experience as mobs in the open world.

Repeatedly queuing into a dungeon to level, and completing said dungeons multiple times, is not an “abuse” of the dungeon system.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Sounds like you need to get good.

Damn you beat me to it.

Seriously its not hard at all if you have common sense.