The Aurum Vale

[ChameleonMS]

OP, action of leaving AV is endemic of the problems with AV. OP is not alone in immediate or rage quitting that is very common among many players in AV.
Just because "you" the other players do not think the behaviour is acceptable, the reason behind the behaviour should be addressed to improve the game for all players.
Our critism of the content, no matter how old, can still affect change from the developers.
Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XL

We'll be making adjustments to the main scenario dungeons, so that new players can enjoy them without worrying. It may extend the duration of the dungeon; however, we have increased the rewards as well.

Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

[MaloraYuki]

Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

The problem with this post is the OP is a well known troll. A very disliked troll, they never mean anything they say and they never have anything actually useful to say. Change will never come from one of their posts lol.

[LunaTsukihime]

OP, action of leaving AV is endemic of the problems with AV. OP is not alone in immediate or rage quitting that is very common among many players in AV.
Just because "you" the other players do not think the behaviour is acceptable, the reason behind the behaviour should be addressed to improve the game for all players.
Our critism of the content, no matter how old, can still affect change from the developers.
Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XL

Would OP have quit if the underlying issues with said content were addressed. Most likely no, and the FLAMEfest that has occurred since the start of this thread would not exist. At least not on this topic.
There are dozens pieces of content in this game which are very undesirable in the current design and we should continue to complain about them until they are fixed.

Nice try, not gonna take you serious tho.
The behavior is not acceptable in ANY case.

For no one, and if you really defending this "thing" for bailing on their party then you too are quite the problematic person.

There are not "dozens" of contents that are undesirable, they are less liked by some, but on the other hand loved by others.
For example, i absolutely love running Castrum Meridianum and The Pretorium, but a friend of mine loathes them to hell and back.

Do they need to be changed because of that?
Nope, its personal preference, SE cannot carter to everyone, there will always be things that wont sit right with a percentage of the playerbase while others cant get enough of it.

Think about this before going "this dungeon is bad I want it changed" because someone else might disagree.

As for the Topic creator, don't defend Him.. her... it.. meh, whatever.
As a Mentor, bailing should penalized WAY more seriously.

[ChameleonMS]

For no one, and if you really defending this "thing" for bailing on their party then you too are quite the problematic person.
As for the Topic creator, don't defend Him.. her... it.. meh, whatever.
As a Mentor, bailing should penalized WAY more seriously.

I see you misunderstand my position. I am not defending the act of leaving, I am pointing out that the act of leaving, performed by many people, not just OP, for this content other pieces of content is the result of poor design.

There are not "dozens" of contents that are undesirable, they are less liked by some, but on the other hand loved by others.
For example, i absolutely love running Castrum Meridianum and The Pretorium, but a friend of mine loathes them to hell and back.

Do they need to be changed because of that?
Nope, its personal preference, SE cannot carter to everyone, there will always be things that wont sit right with a percentage of the playerbase while others cant get enough of it.

Think about this before going "this dungeon is bad I want it changed" because someone else might disagree.

Sure, there are plenty of pieces of content which have been changed due to player reactions too them. I will cite a few more, the Bees in Amdapor Keep, and FATE scaling. And, there are plenty more that still should be addressed.

[LunaTsukihime]

Sure, there are plenty of pieces of content which have been changed due to player reactions too them. I will cite a few more, the Bees in Amdapor Keep, and FATE scaling. And, there are plenty more that still should be addressed.

First, that's called feedback, not me-me-me demanding by a single troll.
Second, those examples are fine and dandy, but don't relate to the Topic at all, its about hating a whole dungeon so much that bailing for this person-thing is the only option.

The Bees in Keep were a nuisance and got nerfed, but no one bailed because of them.
The Fates got better scaling because we rose in level cap and experience gains.

Don't compare apples to oranges, don't work, nor with lemons.

[Solarianna]

Sure, there are plenty of pieces of content which have been changed due to player reactions too them. I will cite a few more, the Bees in Amdapor Keep, and FATE scaling. And, there are plenty more that still should be addressed.

They are different situations. You're, I believe, mixing up situations in which the outcry from the playerbase was unanimous, or near-unanimous enough in that people believed said issues constituted a problem, which therefore justified an action from SE.

Aurum Vale is everything BUT unanimous. I see just as many people who love it as people who hate it. Aurum Vale's situation is very specific because it's the kind of content in which there's no middle term. Half of the people will absolutely hate it to its core ( hi ) , and the other half will love it to bits because of the exact reasons that the other half hates it. And vice-versa.
So the negative feedback, in this case, is very deep and sometimes aggressive. But just because it's loud, doesn't mean it's unanimous or close to it. It's pure personal preference.
Which means, it doesn't warrant the need for a change.

And as I said before, I'm not biased here. If there was a poll to ascertain how many people would prefer not to step foot in that place again, you'd find my name at the top of the list. But still I'm against the belief that there is this life-or-death need to change it, because I know I'm not more nor less valuable than any other player in the game, and I can very well appreciate that there are many players that love AV just as much as I hate it.
Just like, in the other side of the prism, earlier in this thread Doma Castle and The Vault were mentioned as dungeons that some people strongly dislike (which I already knew, because I have people in-game who I talk to, that share that opinion), and I personally love them both. In my opinion, best leveling dungeons in each respective expansion.

I can appreciate you disliking AV, especially because I hate it too, but I do not believe that in and of itself warrants the need to change anything about it. Unless the many people who like it suddenly change their mind and start hating it too for no reason.

[Avatre]

Aurum Vale is everything BUT unanimous. I see just as many people who love it as people who hate it. Aurum Vale's situation is very specific because it's the kind of content in which there's no middle term.

Hi, I'm someone who is indifferent to it. Same with Toto-rak. Don't care if I get those dungeons because I know someone in the group needed it for whatever reason. Always best to just power through it all and murder whatever comes your way(hopefully helping those new to it to understand the dungeon along the way)

[Darrcyphfeid]

Aurum Vale's situation is very specific because it's the kind of content in which there's no middle term. Half of the people will absolutely hate it to its core ( hi ) , and the other half will love it to bits because of the exact reasons that the other half hates it. And vice-versa.

I was a tank main in both ARR and HW, and fall squarely into the latter (loving) category. Aurum Vale was the culmination of the tanking learning experience, bringing into play everything the last couple of dungeons had been teaching. The difficulty of each individual monster is your feedback; if you pull too much, intentionally (room after Coincounter) or otherwise (first room, due to poor positioning), you're going to get punished. Hard. And that's sorta the point, so the divide is whether you like that aspect of it or you hate it. Which probably comes down to whether you love or hate the tank you have in that particular run, to be perfectly honest.

The fact that every dungeon after Aurum Vale throws away everything the middle through end of 2.0 was setting up is... unfortunate, if you ask me. Dusk Vigil sorta brings it back a bit with how stat scaling causes the monsters to hit like trucks again, but it's short lived.

Just like, in the other side of the prism, earlier in this thread Doma Castle and The Vault were mentioned as dungeons that some people strongly dislike (which I already knew, because I have people in-game who I talk to, that share that opinion), and I personally love them both. In my opinion, best leveling dungeons in each respective expansion.

The Vault is Aurum Vale: Healer Edition, so that makes sense with the above mindset.

Could be a number of different angles drawing Doma Castle into the crosshairs.

[The_NPC]

I dispise Aurum Vale so much I unsync-stomp its arse every so often, for laughs, BUT if I get it in roullete I will never run from it just cause its "That place". I compaire it to cleaning a dirty toliet, sure it sucks & u really don't wanna but it has to be done cause you wanted to use/have it (You used DF roullete knowing you could end up in a dungeon you dispise cause you want the rewards from using said roullete... then just do what you can to get threw it... granted as its a game & certian class types don't have to wait as long then add ppl with porr attitudes/low paitience/low free time you get the "rage quit" moments which will happen at some point)

Becides even IF they made AV easyer/less punishing then the someone would find another dungeon they'd rage quit from... like the Vault for example

[Ashennae]

The game developers need to do something about Aurum Vale it must be the most hated of all the dungeons hands down. Please make it more rewarding and easier to complete.

The devs aren't going to change this instance just because a small handful of players dislike it. Hell, what's not to hate? It's yellow, there's poison everywhere, it's a chore to do, there are freakin' morbols everywhere, it releases one rare minion you can't get elsewhere and that's it, and it's only necessary if you wanna have GC squads or own a house. But if the devs are going to do something about it, they would have done so by now. Besides, it's not even that hard to do provided you've got a good group. Truthfully, Toto Rak is worse.

Also it's not really brag-worthy to state that you left a dungeon, especially since you're a mentor and completing Aurum Vale IS required to get max rank for your respective Grand Company.