SE: if it aint broke, dont fix it (War)

[Chrono_Rising]

You aren't reading his posts.

To be clear for Upheaval:
Deliverance Damage: 4000 (roughly)

Defiance damage: 6100 (roughly)

Unchained + Defiance damage: 7600 (roughly)

So does anyone have a way that the damage from upheaval is actually calculated? I agree that upheaval tool tip gives no indication that it ignores the stance penalty of deliverance, but clearly 25% more hp isn't being translated to 25% more damage. Does anyone know how the hp buff is actually calculated?

I am reading his posts. You're literally repeating what I said. You should be doing more damage with Upheaval in Defiance with Unchained. That is how Unchained works! That is literally the whole point of the skill.

Yes, I agree, it was confusing with you responding to questioning an HP increasing effect that I wasn't questioning, so I believe time was wasted in trying to understand where your posts were coming from. The issue was me reading in a damage ignoring penalty that wasn't there, and I got that from your post. I agree the tool tip doesn't say anything about ignoring the damage penalty.

I'm interested in how exactly the HP increase translates to a damage increase now. If I increase my max HP by 25% with deliverance upheaval is increasing its damage by about 50%. If this is with tank stance that means the increase for a 25% HP increase is in the realm of 90% damage. Does anyone know how this is scaling or why it is so high?

[RamzaRuglia]

So does anyone have a way that the damage from upheaval is actually calculated? I agree that upheaval tool tip gives no indication that it ignores the stance penalty of deliverance, but clearly 25% more hp isn't being translated to 25% more damage. Does anyone know how the hp buff is actually calculated?

I posted the averages in a previous post, but other than doing the math in reverse to see, it's hard to tell without SE making it obvious in the tooltip. That's why I added in Thrill of Battle as an additional control to see if there were extra numbers to pull from.

[Chrono_Rising]

I posted the averages in a previous post, but other than doing the math in reverse to see, it's hard to tell without SE making it obvious in the tooltip. That's why I added in Thrill of Battle as an additional control to see if there were extra numbers to pull from.

Interestingly when I do upheaval + thrill of battle in defiance I am getting almost exactly a 1.2 multiplier for my damage. I wonder why deliverance is putting out so much more damage than I would expect. Which is very weird in that increasing HP by 25% has such dramatic gains upwards of 90% (when includine unchained to negate the tank stance penalty) but that increasing my HP by 20% only sees an increase of somethign like ...20%.