SE: if it aint broke, dont fix it (War)

[Chrono_Rising]

No, that isn't how Defiance works. Defiance reduces damage by 20% while increasing HP by 25%.

Unchained, nullifies the 20% damage reduction.

Upheaval does MORE damage in tank stance because you have more HP, because damage scales off of HP.

EDIT: ~25% Damage boost, 25% HP increase in Defiance. It's not double dipping, it's doing exactly what it should be doing.

Which is how the skill should work. It's a skill you get once every 30 seconds, which makes it rather baffling that it is an issue being raised at all.

No, you are missing the point. It "ignores" the stance penalty but it depends on how that is done. I propose that the when unchained is active it boosts your damage by 25% which cancles the 20% reduction penalty exactly. The exact how it does the "ignoring" is one question, but that it shouldn't have an effect on upheaval is not a question because the skill already ignores the damage penalty. Things like Inner Beast also ignore the damage penalty and do not get boosted by unchained. Examples:

Just for reference:
Defiance at max HP no other HP modifiers active: Upheaval does 6131 damage

Upheaval already ignores the damage penalty. If I use the skill with unchained then I shouldn't see any change in the damage..... However:

Defiance at max HP and unchained, no other modifiers: Upheaval does 7581 damage

These two cases both use defiance, that variable has been controlled for, but one of them uses unchained. In the unchained example the damage should be within a natural variation of skill, but it isn't its 25% stronger for no apparent reason. This is on top the the defiance bonus since I'm in the same stance in both cases.

To be clear for Upheaval:
Deliverance Damage: 4000 (roughly)
Defiance damage: 6100 (roughly)
Unchained damage: 7600 (roughly)

The skill is already ignoring the damage penalty, otherwise the deliverance and defiance damage would be about the same. They are not, which shows that the damage penalty is being ignored and the HP enhancing nature of deliverance is boosting the upheaval damage. The big question is: Why is the unchained damage higher? This isn't a fluke you can repeat it yourself, this has no buffs other than stances in all three examples. I was also careful to not record examples of direct hit or critical strikes. The only explanation I can come up with is that upheaval's damage is being increased by unchained when it shouldn't be.