Thread: 4.2 Housing Update

Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

How does treating everyone in the FC as owning the FC house open more loopholes??

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

It's pretty straightforward. For simplicity, we have Players A, B, C, D and E.

1. Player A has Master status in eight Rank 6+ FCs on their eight characters. Players B, C and D have characters in each of those FCs. This satisfies the 4-person requirement for FC house eligibility, and any additional caveats (4 characters on unique service IDs).
2. Player A purchases Plot 1. Players A, B, C and D are now no longer eligible to purchase FC houses.
3. Player A kicks Players B, C and D from FC-1. Players B, C and D are now eligible to purchase FC houses.
4. Player A invites Player E to FC-1. Player A gives Master status to Player E. Player A leaves FC-1 and is now eligible to purchase FC houses.
5. Player E now owns a single-character FC and is no longer eligible to purchase FC houses. Because no checks will be done on grandfathered estates to remove them, and because checks would punish any FC that drops below 4 members for any length of time (even 3 very active people), it is assumed no checks will be done on Player E.
6. Player A-2 purchases Plot 2. Players A, B, C and D are now no longer eligible to purchase FC houses.
7. Player A-2 kicks Players B-2, C-2 and D-2 from FC-2.
8. Player A-2 invites Player E-2 to their FC. Player A-2 gives Master status to Player E-2. Player A-2 leaves their FC.
9. Player E-2 now owns 2 FCs with houses and remains ineligible to purchase FC houses.

Just continue that until Player E owns 8 FC houses. All purchased post-4.2. All legitimately, all largely uncontested.

Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

- Player E isn't buying those plots, so until the point of Player E-2 being given Master status they shouldn't be stopped.
- Player E-2 and beyond own FC plots, but technically so too do countless not-jerky-people. If you can't purchase an FC on an alt while your main is in a different FC, then the game counts your main as owning an FC. If you're in an FC on your main and your alt, as far as the game is concerned, you already "own" two FCs. And so, continuing that logical process, there's no difference between Player E and any other player.
- People that are being grandfathered in will own multiple FCs, and the system doesn't seem to be doing anything to them - they specifically say that people owning multiple free company estates can freely relocate (so, no checks there). Unless, perhaps, the person chooses to pass Master status to someone else - then we're in the above scenarios again.

Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

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Doesn't the FC need to be rank 6 or higher to buy a house?

Originally Posted by Bloodkraft

Doesn't the FC need to be rank 6 or higher to buy a house?

Yes, an FC has to be at least rank 6 to buy a house, but it's not that hard to level up an FC to rank 6. If you're really working at it, you can do it in a day. There was a guy that was talking about having done it in 7 hours.

Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

Copypasta from another thread, bolded part is most relevant:

I posted the first counter too this issue in my other post. The second counter to what your presenting and the one most likely to happen: Main in FC1 with a house. Alt in FC 2 with a house, the caveat being only one of those two can be the leader of their respective FC. In short your main and your alt cannot both be the leader of FC's that own a house.

Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I posted the first counter too this issue in my other post. The second counter to what your presenting and the one most likely to happen: Main in FC1 with a house. Alt in FC 2 with a house, the caveat being only one of those two can be the leader of their respective FC. In short your main and your alt cannot both be the leader of FC's that own a house.

I was simply copying an older post to highlight how the new system, like the one it's replacing, is full of holes.

There's nothing to indicate that you can't be the leader of multiple FCs, intentionally or otherwise. Quite the opposite, as mentioned in Point #3 of the second quote, if you consider that grandfathered people will, in fact, have accomplished just that from day one. Fixing the loophole/workaround would require Square to implement an additional check beyond the time of purchase - or multiple checks, depending - and we won't know if they've bothered to do that until the servers are back up and someone gambles, or until Feb 6th rolls around and the new wards open up. Given that most everything else they've done with housing this patch has been nonsensical and shortsighted, my money is placed firmly on the side of "they didn't even consider people might do this."

If they do add additional checks, it's also going to have its own set of problems. Such as: What becomes of an FC house if the leader goes inactive and the only otherwise eligible character to inherit it is an alt of someone already in possession of master status in an FC? And ultimately still doesn't stop 1.) people buying up houses to resell as FCs some months down the line and 2.) using FCs to buy medium/large houses now and reselling them to people that own smalls later (since relocating bypasses the randomized purchase lockout).

They said some plots will be FC exclusive. Does that mean we can't private estate relocate to these plots?

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

Originally Posted by SokiYagami

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

Hopefully it doesn't mess with the ability to get stuff up the walls/closer to the walls. The out of boundary jump puzzles were probably the issue they were trying to tackle. I wouldn't think it would cause further issue to the server, just that it goes too far beyond the scope of what they want you to do with housing.

Updated the main post with that snippet however. Didn't look like we got any new info other than that.

Originally Posted by SokiYagami

4.2 Full Patch Notes:

"An issue wherein furnishings could be placed beyond housing walls and ceilings under certain circumstances.
* Placing furnishings outside of an estate beyond a certain distance causes the furnishings to be placed back inside the estate."

I hope you all got the chance to have some fun before the server went down. I'm going to assume the other existing glitch are fixed/affected as well.

I hope this doesn't mean that interior walls and other items that were too long so I pushed them through the walls stop working.