Thread: 4.2 Housing Update

Originally Posted by QueenSophie

To the ppl that think anyone with alot of gil mustve used RMT? really....? I know 2 people who have made 1-2 billion in 9 months or less and have done it all by crafting, retainers and content, no house flipping, no rmt, and no selling clears. 200 mil buyout for large is greed? please, thats a week of time for your average seasoned player. Cant win. Adding plots doesnt make people satisfied, but they dont wanna spend the gil either. To me, quit complaining about housing, you really are out of your league.

Adding more plots doesn't satisfy people because it doesn't solve the problem. If they wanted owning a house to be a matter of prestige, they shouldn't have made it by arbitrarily limiting the number of plots available, but rather by making it way more expensive than the average player could achieve with average play, or including some other requirement."there just aren't a lot of them" doesn't make it prestigious to own a house. It just means you had the better internet connection the majority of the time.

Why am I seen as a "better player" for owning a house when literally the only reason I got it and someone else didn't was because of timing? I didn't work any harder than others did to get their house, in fact, I may have worked less hard because I was lucky enough to get it from someone transferring off. It's really embarrassing to me the other house owners who honestly believe that they are somehow better than a large majority of the playerbase because they have a house.

Buying from a house flipper doesn't satisfy people because it is against the TOS, which has been stated multiple times, and yes 200 million for a large is greedy lol. Keep in mind the person paying you that still has to buy the plot again afterwards.

Also, no, not everyone who has a lot of gil RMTs. I (had) a lot of gil before, I didn't RMT. But when someone buys up a bunch of house plots all at once in a short amount of time it becomes pretty suspect. What world do you live in where the "average" player will get 200 million gil in a week. Lol.

Also, re, they want owning a house to be prestigious: that's fine, it's obvious that was their intention. But if that's what they want to do, they need to do things to make gardening INCLUDING crossbreeding, chocobo stables, and FC airships accessible to all, regardless of if you own a house or not. Because those are parts of actual gameplay that they can't access for whatever dumb reasons.

Originally Posted by QueenSophie

Gotta love all these people who are so worried about what everyone else is doing and cant focus on themselves and what they need to do. He has a house and doesnt do this and doesnt do that. Ok, so when you finally get houses like everyone feels like they are so entiled to, lets all hover around them on their server and make sure they do everything that we would do with the house, or guess what , they should lose it. I joke.

To the ppl that think anyone with alot of gil mustve used RMT? really....? I know 2 people who have made 1-2 billion in 9 months or less and have done it all by crafting, retainers and content, no house flipping, no rmt, and no selling clears. 200 mil buyout for large is greed? please, thats a week of time for your average seasoned player. Cant win. Adding plots doesnt make people satisfied, but they dont wanna spend the gil either. To me, quit complaining about housing, you really are out of your league.

Like Elamys wrote adding just more plots wont solve the problem especially if we dont have a restriction about the numbers of houses that one account can own. People dont want to spend gil on flippers because this will just give those greedy flippers even more of a reason to buy houses just for selling. And yes 200 mil for a large one is greed. Yoshida himself stated that selling a house for huge profit is against the rules and 200 mil Gil would be 400% more than the original price..(and lets not forget that they have to pay the original price too). Are you trying to argue that its fine even though the boss himself stated that its wrong?

Not everyone that buys for such huge prices uses RMT but there will be people that do that. And lets not forget that someone linked a website where a japanese player even tried to sell a house for real money too. This selling for huge prices is wrong! So people dont want to support such a wrong system. And lets be real..even if everyone that would want to own a house would be fine with paying a flipper for it..there would still not be enough houses for those..so yes even then the problem still exist.

If SE wants this to stay a limited source then they should stop putting FC content behind it (budget and time for only a small amount of people) because that will only benefit a small number of FCs and leave the rest out of this. And they should stop putting out so many housing items..imo its bad that we get more and more of those items and yet most will never be able to use them because not every FC has a house (thus no FC room), and apartments are still way too low on a lot of servers.

Honestly sometimes I question if people are arguing so much against it because some of them (not all!) are flippers or bought a house that way and dont just want to feel bad..

[And no I have a house and yet I still find this system bad..]

Live letter in 2 hour-ish! Here's hoping there's good news/sneak preview for housing!

Anyone happen to know if they will be removing houses from those currently already own more then one plot per server? If so RIP me.

They seriously need to boost the membership requirement for owning FC housing.

As it stands, it sounds like nothing is keeping somebody from forming a FC using signatures from three of someone's alts, then purchasing a house that way, effectively circumventing the housing restriction. I already see multiple FCs that consist solely of a gathering bot as the leader and the main account's alts as its membership, and I'm going to be pissed if any of these guys get housing.

I think eight members would be a more reasonable number.

I am really happy that they did not decide to use a lottery system.

Now my thoughts about the changes:

Negative one first: Its just bad imo that they restrict the release to FC first. This way there is only a really really small chance that you can earn a middle or big house as a personal character. Why not make it so that everyone can buy a house with release but only the small ones can be bought by personals? So this way someone that wants a personal house can at least try to get a small one.

Good points:
- The change to 1 FC and 1 personal house per world and account. Finally this one rule is here.
- They also made a change that you cant buy a FC house if one character is part of a FC with a house. This means no alts can buy it even if you are not the FC master. This makes it sound to me that they will take houses away from those that already own more because I cant see how they would use the system? Since it needs something to detect that you already are in a FC with a house so how would they know if someone owns more than one but own them before 4.2 and who is someone that tries to buy another one after 4.2? I think this is also the reason why they even create an extra website about housing..(still kinda sad that a feature needs a second site to explain it..)
- First I thought the restriction with minimum of four players is bad since people need three other players to even start a FC. But since you cant buy another house if you are in a FC with one per world, this would mean that you either need alts with you or have someone in there that will stay. (Not sure if you always need four people with you or if this is only for the purchase..)
- The timer is great too. Finally this should kill the selling business..

I really like the changes. Its better than I thought and some rules are finally there that should have been there from the beginning. This is also the patch that will hopefully kill the selling business..Still bad for all those that wanted a personal house..especially the bigger ones. :/ Hopefully this is only just the first change but at least a better bandaid than normally.

Also for all those that stated that Yoshida is fine with selling or that selling is fine...well it seems that he stated how disappointed he was that people still sold houses even after he told that its not fine. So here you have it..its against the rules..even if its no huge profit and the timer seems to be especially there to prevent selling.

Originally Posted by KageTokage

They seriously need to boost the membership requirement for owning FC housing.

As it stands, it sounds like nothing is keeping somebody from forming a FC using signatures from three of someone's alts, then purchasing a house that way, effectively circumventing the housing restriction.

I think eight members would be a more reasonable number.

I first thought it too that this would be too low but it seems that you will not be able to get another house if any character on that world is in a FC that owns a house. So anyone that will help will not stay anyway since they would not be able to own a house themselves (or be with a FC that owns a house)

In the end this change will stop people from owning more than one FC per world so this is already a win. And we dont even know if the minimum number is only needed for buying it or if you need that amount all the time to even keep the house. If you need to keep the people than this will make it harder on them too.

Futon!!!! New partition with empty space between! I got too excited that I forgot to take screenshot!