Thread: [Spoilers] The Patch 4.2 Discussion and Speculation Thread!

Asahi showing up in Varis' stead isn't a problem. What I more have a problem is is that I can't think of a way the Scions (or the Alliance for that matter) can verify that he's presenting what Varis' stance on certain topics actually is. As in, what's to prevent Varis from telling Asahi that certain options are on the table when Varis knows they aren't? Everyone kinda has to take Asahi's word for it that he's presenting Varis' stance accurately and there's so many ways that could go wrong I really don't see any good reason to trust him.

Another group that Varis having an alliance with the Scions/Eorzean Alliance could cause a lot of problems for: the Garlond Ironworks. Forget Cid (and Nero), most of the people in the Ironworks are people who escaped with Cid from Garlamald (this includes Jessie, Biggs and Wedge). As far as how bad of a problem this could be for them... most of the Ironworks employees (especially the ones from Garlemald) use fake names so that the Garleans have a harder time figuring out who in the Garlean Empire they can use as blackmail against the Ironworks...

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

Asahi showing up in Varis' stead isn't a problem. What I more have a problem is is that I can't think of a way the Scions (or the Alliance for that matter) can verify that he's presenting what Varis' stance on certain topics actually is. As in, what's to prevent Varis from telling Asahi that certain options are on the table when Varis knows they aren't? Everyone kinda has to take Asahi's word for it that he's presenting Varis' stance accurately and there's so many ways that could go wrong I really don't see any good reason to trust him.

Another group that Varis having an alliance with the Scions/Eorzean Alliance could cause a lot of problems for: the Garlond Ironworks. Forget Cid (and Nero), most of the people in the Ironworks are people who escaped with Cid from Garlamald (this includes Jessie, Biggs and Wedge). As far as how bad of a problem this could be for them... most of the Ironworks employees (especially the ones from Garlemald) use fake names so that the Garleans have a harder time figuring out who in the Garlean Empire they can use as blackmail against the Ironworks...

I don't think the Ironworks is at risk. I doubt that the Scions would accept any deal that put the Ironworks in danger, particularly since the Scions are likely to be highly sceptical even to start with. Varis would know this would be a hard sell and if it is something he actually wants he is going to have to allow some concessions to get the Scion's aid. Again, I think this is part of a bigger game Varis is playing and he might genuinely want the use of the WoL and the Scion's expertise. After all the WoL has been very successful at putting down Primals. At the very least such an alliance might stop the Scions and even Doma undermining Garlean rule.

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

Asahi showing up in Varis' stead isn't a problem. What I more have a problem is is that I can't think of a way the Scions (or the Alliance for that matter) can verify that he's presenting what Varis' stance on certain topics actually is. As in, what's to prevent Varis from telling Asahi that certain options are on the table when Varis knows they aren't? Everyone kinda has to take Asahi's word for it that he's presenting Varis' stance accurately and there's so many ways that could go wrong I really don't see any good reason to trust him.

It shouldn't be that hard to verify, there is a garlean embassy over in Kugane which presumably has been given instructions regarding Garlemald's diplomatic plans. If not it shouldn't take them too long to confirm if this guy is legit, assuming we don't meet him there to begin with.