Thread: [Spoilers] The Patch 4.2 Discussion and Speculation Thread!

Well from a recent interview it sounds like Doma's story will play out over 4.2 and 4.3.

Originally Posted by Rocl

Eh? Asahi is right there next to his mother in the cutscene.

Oh you are right. I still doubt Asahi sold her of. He seems a bit young to be involved in that type of thing. The same interview I mention aboved indicated that Asahi came from Garlemald proper so I don't think he has be home much recently, particularly considering he has risen to the highest rank he actually can.

Originally Posted by Ametrine

Yotsuyu specifically mentions forcing her to marry that dignitary was HIS idea, and that she had to grin and bare it partly for his sake.

I'm leaning more towards this dignitary giving Asahi better opportunities within Garlemald. Endearing his clan to this powerful figure could be quickly done through a political marriage, and he had a sister right there.

She was basically a piece of property to his family, anyway, so why not sell her to make friends in high places?

She also says it was her brother that had the idea. Whether this means she thought she and Asahi were siblings or if there is another person in the family we haven't met is yet to be seen.

I'd say take that statement with a grain of salt until we have more information. Children will often blame siblings, or cousins in this case, for things their parents do if they feel they're being slighted or the other child is getting the better deal. People can hold onto grudges like that for years.

Personally, I have trouble believing a young child could come up with something like that, and he looks younger than Yotsuyu, both in the past and in the present (but that might be because life has worn her down). Not to say it can't happen, but, still.

Nice catch! I didn't even make that connection! I'm excited to see its conclusion finally, if that is the case.

Also, re: Asahi selling Yotsuyu is weird "because he's so young." I don't think there's any likelihood whatsoever he did this as a child. I would definitely expect him to concoct this plan while in Garlemald proper receiving his education. I don't believe we're given any indication of how old that Echo flashback was--you figure it was 25 years ago Doma was annexed. You figure that gives a whole 24 year window (let's say ~10 minimum) that Asahi comes up with this. Do we ever know how long Yotsuyu was married? Eh? Do we even know she was sold to a Garlean? She just says "a vicious old drunk" and then when she's sold a second time to pay her ex-husband's debts does she become an Imperial spy.

We also know Gosetsu knows Yotsuyu's ex-husband he was sold to and it was a distinctly Doman name "Sashihai." He also refers to her as the "orphan of the Naeuri" which is ... curious? The Garlean says the Naeuri would receive compensation for Asahi's training. The mention of these names to her is precisely what leads Yotsuyu to step on his head in Isari.

Heh, in this very quest Yotsuyu compares her sins to Gosetsu's. Both survivors, both pledging loyalty to the Empire to further their own goals despite having no love for it. (Yotsuyu to get her revenge on Doma, Gosetsu to return to his master's side).
Given limited wikipediaing, in Japan, 96% of women take their husband's surname and it's a requirement for a couple to have the same last name to receive married status. (Of note, this is obviously the MODERN day, and not whatever medieval period Doma in XIV is based off of.) Which... makes me curious... Asahi's mother (married) is Naeuri, and her sister was also Naeuri (Gosetsu says Yotsuyu is an orphan of the Naueri) ... shouldn't this be impossible? Yotsuyu's family is definitely muddled. All languages refer to the Naeuri family being compensated for Asahi's prowess or something. Unless Yotsuyu's mother and Asahi's mother married into the same family.... I think there's something ridiculously hidden here, lol. Naeuri is definitely the "surname" / "house name" / "family name" but I'm having difficulties finding the dialogue I linked above in other languages currently.

Originally Posted by Rocl

Given limited wikipediaing, in Japan, 96% of women take their husband's surname and it's a requirement for a couple to have the same last name to receive married status. (Of note, this is obviously the MODERN day, and not whatever medieval period Doma in XIV is based off of.) Which... makes me curious... Asahi's mother (married) is Naeuri, and her sister was also Naeuri (Gosetsu says Yotsuyu is an orphan of the Naueri) ... shouldn't this be impossible? Yotsuyu's family is definitely muddled. All languages refer to the Naeuri family being compensated for Asahi's prowess or something. Unless Yotsuyu's mother and Asahi's mother married into the same family.... I think there's something ridiculously hidden here, lol. Naeuri is definitely the "surname" / "house name" / "family name" but I'm having difficulties finding the dialogue I linked above in other languages currently.

In Japan women normally take the name of their husband's family but that isn't always the case. The reverse can happen particularly for prominent families that lack a male heir. This practice is called Mukiyoshi. As to how both Yostuyu’s Mother and Aunt could be blood-sisters and Asahi and Yotsuyu could be part of the same birth clan something like this could have happened:

A) Yotsuyu’s mother was the eldest daughter of the Naeuri clan and Asahi’s mother was the next (unmarried) eldest.
B) Yotsuyu’s mother marries, her husband becomes Naeuri (clan heir).
C) Yotsuyu’s parents die when she is young, and she has no (male) siblings. As female, Yotsuyu can’t be clan heir.
D) Yotsuyu’s aunt marries and her husband becomes Naeuri (clan heir).
E) Asahi is born.

This could also explain some of her aunt’s or clan’s justification for abusing Yotsuyu—she was a failed attempt to produce an heir. Moreover, Yotsuyu’s aunt might resent Yotsuyu’s mother; perhaps she was always jealous of her sister or perhaps she too was forced to marry a man she did not want to by her clan because of her sister's death and Yotsuyu being female.

Given my track record with predicting story-lines this probably isn’t what happened, but it is technically possible.