Could we get a change to Hyoton (PvE)?

[Sylvain]

Reworking Hyoton as a stun/silence etc isn't hard indeed, but that mean they'd need to make more fight requiring stun / silence. Tanks already have access to tool to ensure they can interrupt once every half a min. Which means that unless you'd need more stuns, Hyoton inteerrupt wouldn't be needed, and if it would be needed, then NIN would become even better than it already is.



The idea of making Hyoton buff Assassination is not bad but again, you just introduce yet another thing to the main rotation. Which is a bit sad imo as any spare skill could be used to fix issue. NIN dps (considering the buff they bring) is fine, giving them more damage in their main rotation isn't particulary needed.

But people have pointed that they do have a weakness, like all melee, they can't attack out of melee range. Which is why many people argued about the DoT, the issue with the DoT is that it makes it again part of the main rotation (which is something I'm against, every single skill doesn't have to be part of the main rotation, it's fine to have situational skills).

Hence my suggestion with the Frosty Throw Daguers. Many fight (if not all) would benefit from it, it could probably grant more potency than the assassinate idea in many fight and unlike the DoT or Assassination suggestion which would just make the skill part of the core rotation (so you simply do it whenever the DoT fades / Said skill is up, no more thought involved), this one would actually require some knowledge of the fight and if used properly make the skill more satisfactory than yet another skill dishing huge number once a min. (see Dream within a Dream for boring skills ***boring doesn't mean weak***)

[RenOkamiya]

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Ninja already has a oGCD silence, so I don't see the usefullness of having another one. Loosing a 80 potency skill because you have to keep it for a silence isn't a problem.

Having an other skill buffed is also fine, BUT holding a Ninjutsu is quite the loose however to do only 10 sec of Throwing knife, or assassinate or anything like it.

Unless the fight scales weirdly enough to have your mudra Cd reset RIGHT when you need to Hyoton, it's much more of a pain in the ass than it needs to be.

You said about the DoT idea that it becomes yet another part of the rotation we don't need.
Since it's supposed to have a Ninjutsu slot anyway in the said rotation, I dont see the problem with that. Refreshing a DoT when it fades it's not a revolutionnary idea either.
Suiton is a part of the main rotation, and it's strange that no one seems to complain about that one

[Sylvain]

Suiton is a part of the main rotation, and it's strange that no one seems to complain about that one

Basically I don't want another Suiton, one is enough. (the DoT / Assassination would be another Suiton, not the daguer buff one)

I also don't think it would be a pain in the ass if done properly aka giving the debuff/buff a long enough duration.
A very simple example but it could be applied to quiet a few fight.


You're on OS2 and you know the next mechanic is the Tentacle on DPS.Your mudra refreshes and you pop Hyoton, you continue your normal rotation then finally you have the tentacle debuff, you move away, spam 4-5 daguer while moving, waiting and moving back and you simply recontinue. Nothing stops you from Raiton-ing the boss if your mudra happens to be available while you're at your position for the tentacle.

Giving Hyoton a duration of 30sec would allow something like this to be done on most fight.

And yeah regarding the silence, myself including, it seems many people forgot we do have one (which support the idea that it would be utterly useless)

[RenOkamiya]

Basically I don't want another Suiton, one is enough. (the DoT / Assassination would be another Suiton, not the daguer buff one)

It was sarcasm ^^

You're on OS2 and you know the next mechanic is the Tentacle on DPS.)

I don't know, I have a tank well enough carrying to put the boss between the spots here so ^^ (as all tank should at least try to do but I get what you say).

At the very least, I would want the binding effect not sucking or be totally useless in raid. Or just letting down the potency of the Jutsu itself and giving some buff like you said, but I'd rather have something like an "ice mirror" to keep dpsing at range with our melee stuffs. Specially when you want to keep Futon up and you cant. It just would be uptime without changing the rotation one bit. Just not allowing, even with true north, the potency/effects of the positionnals and not being able to put a sneaky Trick attack without effort.