Real Solutions to PvP problems

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Not only would that punish healers for self-sustaining, it would promote aggressively targeting the healer. I mean, that's already a strategy, but if you punish the healer for doing their job well (*cough*cullingtime*cough*) you'll find fewer people wanting to put themselves in that position. I think perhaps one way to bring things around to a better balance point is to lessen the gap between damage potency and healing potency (seriously, go look at those numbers), and perhaps balance it out with aoe heals again.

As for the "not treating Frontlines as fun", I still highly enjoy Frontlines. I always did even when I was a newbie getting stomped on by the big bad premades of that time. Thing is, a large majority refuse to see PvP as anything beyond "side content" or worse, and won't actually put out the effort it takes to perform well in a competitive environment. Worse than that are the "just here for the"-types that don't care so long as they get whatever handout reward they can get from it, or the ones who lack competitive spirit and will just give up soon as they think they can't win. I want to sympathize, I really do - I mean, it sucks to lose - but my "coach" mentality (I'm not a coach, but maybe I missed my true calling) won't allow me to accept that from them, knowing just how big a difference a little effort makes. And it's when that effort is made and people bring some fighting spirit that the "fun" of competition becomes not just easy to see, but you FEEL it.

[RiyahArp]

The not seeing it as fun means that players tend to aggressively go to the absolute worst meta if possible in order to secure wins if not steamroll. Like in frontlines, when you see Mael is dominating most matches, you kind of want to switch some people over to the other GC's so it's not always onesided stomps. Or we know healers are OP in RW, but the community if anything immediate stacked 50% of players as heals and then used them to self-sustain in groups of three. Or spawn camping for a time in seal rock. Sometimes if a community is strong, they can act as an unofficial source of balance by condemning cheap play and promoting fun matches, but it doesn't happen here. Like part of the reason we had the chat ban I bet is that there wasn't strong enough action by the community to stop chewing others out.

[Wintersandman]

Healer stacking in RW is already diminishing, Mael winning in Frontlines is dminished, and the community does speak out but you can't convince people who think they know better. The meta constantly evolves and Mael would have only dominated for so long.

[Theodric]

Healer stacking in RW is already diminishing, Mael winning in Frontlines is dminished, and the community does speak out but you can't convince people who think they know better. The meta constantly evolves and Mael would have only dominated for so long.

Literally every game I've played lately has involved healer stacking, unfortunately. It's even more effective as of the latest 'balance' patch as mammets are a lot more powerful now and can be kept topped up by even a single healer fairly easily. Yet I'm seeing multiple healers escorting mammets frequently as it's an even more effective strategy than it was before the latest patch.

[Wintersandman]

Literally every game I've played lately has involved healer stacking, unfortunately. It's even more effective as of the latest 'balance' patch as mammets are a lot more powerful now and can be kept topped up by even a single healer fairly easily. Yet I'm seeing multiple healers escorting mammets frequently as it's an even more effective strategy than it was before the latest patch.

It may be that way on your data center but on Primal it is less and there is an easy solution to healer stacking. People focus the mammets but the healer can't heal if they are being targeted. That is what I do. I see a healer healing a mammet i go for him.

[Etrius]

The only true solution to PvP is to remove the healer role entirely.

Or rework all his abilities to deal damage and heal a party member that hits the same target.

[Mirch]

The only true solution to PvP is to remove the healer role entirely.

Or rework all his abilities to deal damage and heal a party member that hits the same target.

remove form pve as well, healers are useless :waow: so our solution is to remove the healers from the game.

soon remove the game :rip:

[Akimitsu]

The only true solution to PvP is to remove the healer role entirely.

You've been doing great at experimenting with this in all your matches as healer; having you results in having no healer.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This is completely false. You'd be surprised how many people end up completely ignoring mammets running through the fight/robots. I have, on multiple occasions, kept healing mammets to push them back to the opposing tower on the top lane while a 20-30 person brawl was happening on the middle island. While the oppressors are getting focused while running through and doing zero damage due to not reaching the destination, I end up putting substantial damage into the enemy tower until people realize it.

^ This is true. I've been right there with you once or twice.

[RiyahArp]

The common thread is "people ignoring mammets." when they don't, they are useless. All it takes is a healer and a dps to contest you on the other side, and suddenly your damage slows to a trickle. A lot of this "mammets do damage" is just based on people playing bad and completely ignoring a push, or on one side giving up on mid and overwhelming a tower early game. I've seen plenty of people try to use mammets instead of mid, and soon the tables turned because two oppressors + escort is far harder to counter.