What does it take to be considered a 'good' player?

[AxlStream]

I think this is a good example of how things go in game.

A person can be giving good advice, but if their delivery of the information is poor, people are going to fight you on the attitude and ignore what you are saying.

Your comment could have stood perfectly fine on its own if only you had chosen to not lead in with "Answers here seem extremely vapid and generic bs, so I'll throw my 2 cents in."

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

[Skivvy]

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

I haven't made any remarks about the other advice given in this thread, so I'm not sure where you're getting that assumption from.

As I alluded to in my comment, your advice was good, your delivery was not. Did you notice the next couple of replies to your comment? How you speak to people can make the difference in whether someone listens to your advice or ignores you completely. Leading with insults is rarely the way to go.

[SenorPatty]

I haven't made any remarks about the other advice given in this thread, so I'm not sure where you're getting that assumption from.

As I alluded to in my comment, your advice was good, your delivery was not. Did you notice the next couple of replies to your comment? How you speak to people can make the difference in whether someone listens to your advice or ignores you completely. Leading with insults is rarely the way to go.

To add to that, if you can't be nice, at leats be neutral. No one asking to sprinkle sugar or salt, just say what you need say.

[Skivvy]

To add to that, if you can't be nice, at leats be neutral. No one asking to sprinkle sugar or salt, just say what you need say.

Yes! I had started typing something to this effect, then removed it and forgot to put it back

[NephthysVasudan]

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

Maybe you should take a step back and re-read what people are saying. Cause your not getting it.

Example - helped 2 newbies do their first clear of bismark - the party was a collasial disaster...and I happen to pick that day to be white mage as opposed to Black Mage or Dark Knight.
The whole party was full of sprouts it seems...and the greater majority had no clue what to do.

morale was further blown to hell when the tanks jokingly jumped off the cliff first thing and forced a wipe up front.

Took us 3 wipes after that to get through. But with each time I tried to be positive..encourage....teach.
2rd Time - the idiot tank that started the mess left the party....ditched.
Replacement Tank took up his role with gusto....and when round 3 started - we killed Bismark like it was an unsnyched party.

Telling people to git gud....would have made that an entire disaster. - Instead I focused on encouragement...not telling people to stop standing in telegraphs (cause they did) or get blown off the island (repeatedly) - or to remember to hit the dragon killers and when they missed..to yell at them..etc..etc.

You may think 4 times to get it right is too long.
I say it was 4 times of investment to leave a lasting impression on the newbies...that you can overcome anything..given patience...and cooperation...without having to start over or bicker.
If you haven't figured it out yet....you won't.

This a game.....its supposed to be fun....not a job. Your treating it like its "srs bizzness"
I'd have you ejected first chance i get in any newbie party....now if you where in a savage/ultimate/raid for farming? Different story.

[Baalfrog]

This a game.....its supposed to be fun....not a job. Your treating it like its "srs bizzness"
I'd have you ejected first chance i get in any newbie party....now if you where in a savage/ultimate/raid for farming? Different story.

What if it is fun for someone to optimize every little thing, always give their all in whatever content you do and so on? Are they having fun wrong then? Or is it just a different perspective?

A good player always gives their all, regardless what content they are running, never settling for just good enough, and always looks to improve and does their research. Then you add the social aspect on top of it, basically if you are nice too, that and the previous combined makes one a great player.

[akaneakki]

This a game.....its supposed to be fun....not a job. Your treating it like its "srs bizzness".

Yeah this is a game with a lot of players, so god forbid to let them have fun, while you sit here and think the only one who needs fun is yourself. Way to go.

[Baalfrog]

Yeah this is a game with a lot of players, so god forbid to let them have fun, while you sit here and think the only one who needs fun is yourself. Way to go.

Meanwhile in another universe...
Player: Hello GM! I'd like to report an offense!
GM: What is it?
Player: This guy is having fun wrong!
GM: Wrong how?
Player: By not agreeing with my rules on what is fun!
GM: I'm sorry had to deal with this, I will resolve the matter urgently, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

GM: Hello player 2, this is the fun police, I have been informed you are having fun wrong!
GM throws the offending player into GM jail.
Player 2: Excuse me?
GM: Yea, someone died and made that other guy the fun police, so these are the rules now. Have a great day, IN PRISON!

In all seriousness though, a great player also understands that they are not alone in the game and should also tolerate and understand other viewpoints and not dig their own bunkers and be like "OOOH you are not like me, thus i automatically hate you for not agreeing with me on this or that."

[Jijifli]

Yeah this is a game with a lot of players, so god forbid to let them have fun, while you sit here and think the only one who needs fun is yourself. Way to go.

Yes, the point is to have fun and everyone should have fun.

BUT there are cases where you're trying to have your version of fun in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you're version of having fun is ONLY doing Dragon Kick on monk because the animation is cool to you, and you're in a random party with me and I'm trying to clear the dungeon, I think I have the place to go, "Not here." If you're in a private party and everyone's friends, I could care less. I'm not expecting some perfect player either. I just don't like this idea that if this one person's fun is done in a way that hurts the run, that their one fun is higher than the 3 funs from the other player.

[akaneakki]

Yes, the point is to have fun and everyone should have fun.BUT there are cases where you're trying to have your version of fun in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Excactly. Because some people spam blizzard 3 and then fire 3 in between the cast isn't something that contribute to the group nor does it make it fun for the rest. If they do it with their own friends however, I'm totally okay with it since they probably all agreed to it, so yes I agree with you too. And the last setence you said, I fully agree, that's what provoked me so much from that persons post too. They seem to ignore the rest and do fun for themselves...

In all seriousness though, a great player also understands that they are not alone in the game and should also tolerate and understand other viewpoints and not dig their own bunkers and be like "OOOH you are not like me, thus i automatically hate you for not agreeing with me on this or that."

I honestly like that people let me have fun while I let them have fun too. I don't mind if people are less skilled or whatever, because what matters to me is that they have fun and we actually get shit done. If we don't get shit done, thats a whole another story. And like jijfli said, if someone spams a certain skil just because they like it, they can do it somewhere else, not in my group.