What does it take to be considered a 'good' player?

[Lilseph]

Also as an extra, avoid this attitude.

Seems like some players are using this thread as an opportunity to bash on "l33t" players. So, can we just... give a description about what a good player is without being passive aggressive? Because, in the end, you're proving to be the opposite of what you describe.

[AxlStream]

Could I have worded it perfectly? Sure. But I was served a perfect example right on the same page. Settling in with "good enough" does not make a good player and never will.

[Skivvy]

Could I have worded it perfectly? Sure. But I was served a perfect example right on the same page. Settling in with "good enough" does not make a good player and never will.

I think this is a good example of how things go in game.

A person can be giving good advice, but if their delivery of the information is poor, people are going to fight you on the attitude and ignore what you are saying.

Your comment could have stood perfectly fine on its own if only you had chosen to not lead in with "Answers here seem extremely vapid and generic bs, so I'll throw my 2 cents in."

[silverlunarfox]

The willingness to learn, to teach, and to aid others makes one a good player. We all start somewhere.

[HoodRat]

I think this is a good example of how things go in game.

A person can be giving good advise, but if their delivery of the information is poor, people are going to fight you on the attitude and ignore the advise.

Your comment could have stood perfectly fine on its own if only you had chosen to not lead in with "Answers here seem extremely vapid and generic bs, so I'll throw my 2 cents in."

Like I said earlier, that's just not the case. Most people don't seem to want help and, regardless of how it's delivered, will not react appropriately.

[AxlStream]

I think this is a good example of how things go in game.

A person can be giving good advice, but if their delivery of the information is poor, people are going to fight you on the attitude and ignore what you are saying.

Your comment could have stood perfectly fine on its own if only you had chosen to not lead in with "Answers here seem extremely vapid and generic bs, so I'll throw my 2 cents in."

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

[NephthysVasudan]

I think this is a good example of how things go in game.

A person can be giving good advice, but if their delivery of the information is poor, people are going to fight you on the attitude and ignore what you are saying.

Your comment could have stood perfectly fine on its own if only you had chosen to not lead in with "Answers here seem extremely vapid and generic bs, so I'll throw my 2 cents in."

*thumbs up*

[Skivvy]

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

I haven't made any remarks about the other advice given in this thread, so I'm not sure where you're getting that assumption from.

As I alluded to in my comment, your advice was good, your delivery was not. Did you notice the next couple of replies to your comment? How you speak to people can make the difference in whether someone listens to your advice or ignores you completely. Leading with insults is rarely the way to go.

[NephthysVasudan]

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

Maybe you should take a step back and re-read what people are saying. Cause your not getting it.

Example - helped 2 newbies do their first clear of bismark - the party was a collasial disaster...and I happen to pick that day to be white mage as opposed to Black Mage or Dark Knight.
The whole party was full of sprouts it seems...and the greater majority had no clue what to do.

morale was further blown to hell when the tanks jokingly jumped off the cliff first thing and forced a wipe up front.

Took us 3 wipes after that to get through. But with each time I tried to be positive..encourage....teach.
2rd Time - the idiot tank that started the mess left the party....ditched.
Replacement Tank took up his role with gusto....and when round 3 started - we killed Bismark like it was an unsnyched party.

Telling people to git gud....would have made that an entire disaster. - Instead I focused on encouragement...not telling people to stop standing in telegraphs (cause they did) or get blown off the island (repeatedly) - or to remember to hit the dragon killers and when they missed..to yell at them..etc..etc.

You may think 4 times to get it right is too long.
I say it was 4 times of investment to leave a lasting impression on the newbies...that you can overcome anything..given patience...and cooperation...without having to start over or bicker.
If you haven't figured it out yet....you won't.

This a game.....its supposed to be fun....not a job. Your treating it like its "srs bizzness"
I'd have you ejected first chance i get in any newbie party....now if you where in a savage/ultimate/raid for farming? Different story.

[SenorPatty]

I haven't made any remarks about the other advice given in this thread, so I'm not sure where you're getting that assumption from.

As I alluded to in my comment, your advice was good, your delivery was not. Did you notice the next couple of replies to your comment? How you speak to people can make the difference in whether someone listens to your advice or ignores you completely. Leading with insults is rarely the way to go.

To add to that, if you can't be nice, at leats be neutral. No one asking to sprinkle sugar or salt, just say what you need say.