What does it take to be considered a 'good' player?

[UsagiAndCrepes]

Game might be made in Japan but it's very European in design.

I would disagree but I can understand why some ppl might think that these days.

There are many things which either originated or are more prevalent in Asian role playing games. The upbeat atmosphere, cinematic story focus and extensive cutscenes, class switching, weapon bound classes, cute fodder monsters goblins/slimes/spriggans/mushrooms/etc all look very different to western concepts of those monsters, cat girls, chibi style races =/= hobbit style halfling, heavy focus on emotional character emotes. It's also true that WoW popularized more bombastic attacks, armors and weapons in western games but that doesn't mean it's no longer a hallmark of Asian games.

Final Fantasy is also quite self-referential as a series and constantly builds on what was done previously. The first was mainly referential to Dungeons & Dragons at the time which drew from a lot of Asian influences for cosmological design during that time period. It was only recently that Dungeons & Dragons started to base designs on more biblical concepts and influences from other games. In those older days many of the Asian influences came from mythology borrowed from the middle east, India, China, Japan, and some others, especially their concepts of astral planes and karmic beings.

Just consider some primal names off the top of my head bahamut (arabian), ifrit (arabian), garuda (hindu), shiva (hindu), leviathan (semitic), behemoth (semitic), ravana (hindu), lakshimi (hindu), susano (shinto/japan), zurvan (zoroastrian/persian), sephirot (semitic)

The European aspects are generally Mesopotamian or Norse in nature. I don't think there will ever be much that originates from Celtic or Germanic mythology. You can point to concepts of classic swords and armor but even the real Damascus Steel used Wootz/Ukku/Hindvi from India, and the process has been lost for centuries and never reproduced even today. Damascus itself is the capital of modern Syria today.

The world is far more cosmopolitan than almost any western game but doesn't suffer from tropes of Orientalism.

[akaneakki]

How can you be a weeb in a japanese game tho? It's made in japan. Everything in this game is from japan. That's like saying don't be a puncher in a street fighter game where the whole idea is to PUNCH the other person.

Because people dress up as asian as they want to be then say stuff like konichiwa etc, yeah some people even think they can speak fluent when they watch animes. To me thats a weeabo.

[Joe_Schmoe]

MY idea of a good player? This man summed it up perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26mYX7mEepk

I'll gladly take the mediocre player who's fun to be around and makes the other players better (without cheerleading), than the player who is a real maestro at this game, but unfortunately is a total douchebag and a selfish prick.

[Lilseph]

Guess people have different takes on what they consider what a good player is.

For me the priority is:

1) Skillful. The basics makes you an average player, they are stepping above that threshold.
2) Adapt. They know the world doesn't resolve around them. Some situations you'll be pulling you out of your comfort zone and things might be different if the majority dictates it.
3) Good attitude. Know that this is a game and, in an instance, it's not a competition but cooperations between players.
4) Patience. Self-explanatory.
-Bonus: Be helpful. Not mandatory but always a plus. If people need/ask for help, be a buddy and give them some advice.
-Bonus II: They have a general knowledge about other people's roles/jobs. Helping them to synergize with them with their skillset.

A good player is an ideal, it's the one we all want in a duty. Individually and, if we can, we should always strive to become *that* player.

[LastFireAce]

1. Don't talk shit
- If you talk shit at least be able to take it back
- be able to proof you ain't shit , talk the talk
2. Don't be asshole
3. Give to the community don't be a toxic
4. Help the hopeless
5. Accept help
6. Don't say you gonna quit when we know you won't
- stop with "You don't pay my sub"
7. Know/Learn/Ask about openers/rotation.
8. Tip thos who craft for you.
9. Don't be mean if someone wanna read/watch cutscean
10. Don't drop lock loot/PF ones you get your loot/pony/bird/doggy.
11. say no to elites, don't lick they butt.
12. don't be a mentor for pretty crown if you ain't gonna bother helping
13. don't expect help if you ain't gonna help other.

[NephthysVasudan]

1. Don't talk shit
- If you talk shit at least be able to take it back
- be able to proof you ain't shit , talk the talk
2. Don't be asshole
3. Give to the community don't be a toxic
4. Help the hopeless
5. Accept help
6. Don't say you gonna quit when we know you won't
- stop with "You don't pay my sub"
7. Know/Learn/Ask about openers/rotation.
8. Tip thos who craft for you.
9. Don't be mean if someone wanna read/watch cutscean
10. Don't drop lock loot/PF ones you get your loot/pony/bird/doggy.
11. say no to elites, don't lick they butt.
12. don't be a mentor for pretty crown if you ain't gonna bother helping
13. don't expect help if you ain't gonna help other.

This is becoming a very...big..issue with me these days...so many are "strutting around like peacocks" and that with ego's the size of a planet. >.<;
Starting to think I should just stay as a "stealthy/stalker mentor" - lol

[HoodRat]

What I would classify as being good is knowing the basics of your class and knowing the content you're in, assuming you're not still learning it. I guarantee that simply taking half an hour out of your life to research how to play your job and practice it will already put you above the average df player.

This is becoming a very...big..issue with me these days...so many are "strutting around like peacocks" and that with ego's the size of a planet. >.<;
Starting to think I should just stay as a "stealthy/stalker mentor" - lol

On the other side, most of the time I or other people I've seen try to help others, we usually get attacked. In my experience, saying something like, "Oh, you seem to be having a little trouble with what you're doing. Try doing it this way instead," will merit the same response as if I said, "You're garbage kid, uninstall." You just can't help people who don't want to be helped.

I will admit though that most mentors, at least the ones I see, aren't even good at this game.

[NephthysVasudan]

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The problem with most mentors is they think they are "Experts on everything"
Responding with "Google it" or "I'm right your wrong"
And if you have proof to back up the fact they are wrong in response? "Gods help you" as they say in-game.

I would add that if you wish to be a good player? Keep an open mind..and make sure you have facts to back up your claims. Otherwise your better off keeping quiet.
And for crying out loud....every situation is not a savage run or a high level raid....if you get through fine..with no losses....and within reasonable time.....please keep your bloody opinions to yourself.
The objective is to get the party through in-tact and to win.
Not to break the ####### world record. (Unless you made a party specifically for that)

[HoodRat]

The problem with most mentors is they think they are "Experts on everything"
Responding with "Google it" or "I'm right your wrong"

Yeah I saw that a lot when I was still in the novice network when it first came out. Although, to be fair, I do believe "Google it" to be an acceptable answer, as long as it's worded properly. Something like, "Oh the answer is blah blah blah, but for future reference it might be faster just to Google it yourself, considering I didn't know the answer myself and had to Google it." So basically, not how it happens in the novice network. XD

How can you be a weeb in a japanese game tho? It's made in japan. Everything in this game is from japan. That's like saying don't be a puncher in a street fighter game where the whole idea is to PUNCH the other person.

Some people can kick. :^)

[LastFireAce]

This is becoming a very...big..issue with me these days...so many are "strutting around like peacocks" and that with ego's the size of a planet. >.<;
Starting to think I should just stay as a "stealthy/stalker mentor" - lol

The what many of us do, we Mentor with the crown off, it feal embrace with it on seeing so many bad Mentor/people showing off/Kingdom heart Crown/... But the another topic for another time.