Thread: 4.18 update discussion

Rip spawn camp. Was fun.

Originally Posted by Beckett

I think the Cannonfire changes were needed. Previously it was nearly impossible for a mech to use the ramps without instantly dying. In their current state, cannons are strong against mechs and (non-healer) players, but not overpowered.

The fact that a single healer can tank two cannons working in tandem without breaking a sweat, is an issue with healers being overpowered, not with cannons being underpowered. Healers need a major nerf, and this is just another sign of it.

I also think that 3000-tonze Missile needs a range reduction. Now that Steam Cannons can't instantly kill Oppressors, it's an unfair advantage for Oppressors to be able to hide behind the north fence, firing their Missiles, while Steam Cannons are powerless to stop them.

Many times I led a mech right up the south ramp due to the south cannon's failure to watch for me.

And no, the cannons did their job just fine before, even against healers. They don't now, which only worsens the issues with healers currently.

And as for the north blind spot, the cannon's couldn't reach there before anyways. If the opponent was able to get an Oppressor that close uncontested, that's a failing of your team to actively try to prevent it from getting that far, which isn't hard to do.

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

And as for the north blind spot, the cannon's couldn't reach there before anyways.

There was arguably a reason for the north blind spot, when the Steam Cannons could take out your mechs in a second. With no way to safely attack when in cannon range, Oppressors needed a safe spot they could fire from. Now that Steam Cannons can't take out Opressors nearly as quickly, having the north blind spot is imbalanced. If Oppressors were forced to come within Steam Cannon range to fire off their 300-tonze Missile, they would still easily be able to get off at least one shot before being taken out by the weakened cannons.

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If the opponent was able to get an Oppressor that close uncontested, that's a failing of your team to actively try to prevent it from getting that far, which isn't hard to do.

The cannons are a last line of defense. Honestly, if you're even in a position where your team is using them, it could already be too late. But having your last line of defense be literally incapable of stopping the main enemy offense is a design flaw.

There would be easy way nerf healers. Remove ability healing mammets.

Originally Posted by Sunako

There would be easy way nerf healers. Remove ability healing mammets.

I could get behind this. Would also burden healer heavy teams since DPS heavy teams could burn down mechs/mammets faster.

Originally Posted by Sunako

There would be easy way nerf healers. Remove ability healing mammets.

I don't think this is the way to fix what is really the problem with healers. It maybe a bit of a problem now, because of the patch and the opposing alliance is mostly healers, but they have too much defense at the tips of their fingers, that they will just adjust yet again regardless if mammets are made no heals and take advantage camping something else.

Originally Posted by Sunako

There would be easy way nerf healers. Remove ability healing mammets.

"Guys, we have a problem: We made healer abilities broken. How do we fix?"
"Make their abilities not work on stuff."
/eureka

Why not go a step further and remove the ability of healers to heal players inside the generator room as well to fix them holding the objective while we're at it? I mean, anything but touching the actual issue, no?

Originally Posted by Zojha

"Guys, we have a problem: We made healer abilities broken. How do we fix?"
"Make their abilities not work on stuff."
/eureka

Why not go a step further and remove the ability of healers to heal players inside the generator room as well to fix them holding the objective while we're at it? I mean, anything but touching the actual issue, no?

There's only 1 objective that is non-healing, killing mechs, and that counts as defensive measure because we're reacting to enemy. With cannons (the last defense line) nerfed, there is no counter balance. Mammets are purely offensive, controlled by supposedly defensive role. That's where the imbalance comes from. Would be great if a role does exactly what its meant to do, but at this point they so messed up that countering attacks is very hard without the roles put back in their place.