PSA: Macro Sound Effects Harm People with Sensory Issues

[Kisagami]

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I love how you assume I just played through my migraine. I dropped the dungeon pnce I got the headache, leaving my friends behind before it developed into a full force migraine. However, once the macro was played, the damage was already done. I have searched Reddit for a means to replace the sounds on my client, however, they are in a file that has difficult data to modify and I am not technically savy.

I do take breaks, and lately I haven’t played more than maybe one or two hours. And I have overall avoided dungeons. I am fully ready to drop the game if I need to; but I know SE has accommodated others before for their needs and given the tools to help those with disabilities. They are an ethical company. So, I politely made a suggested and PSA to bring them aware to a problem multiple people agree with me on, if you have read the thread.

Stop assuming I’m just complaining to complain. I am bringing awareness so that SE doesn’t lose paying members like me from their subscription lists. From the outpouring of support I got in and oug of the game, this is a problem that affects more than just me.

[ManuelBravo]

I love how you assume I just played through my migraine. I dropped the dungeon pnce I got the headache, leaving my friends behind before it developed into a full force migraine. However, once the macro was played, the damage was already done. I have searched Reddit for a means to replace the sounds on my client, however, they are in a file that has difficult data to modify and I am not technically savy. ....

Stop assuming I’m just complaining to complain. I am bringing awareness so that SE doesn’t lose paying members like me from their subscription lists. From the outpouring of support I got in and oug of the game, this is a problem that affects more than just me.

It is not an assumption, assuming would only make an ass of you and me. Look from a technical perspective it can be done, to apply it however takes a bit more specially since testing needs to be done to insure that the changes won't create other issues. It's not as easy as it sounds. I'm sure SE is aware and from an ethical point of view by just providing option to adjust their settings in game shows that they have taken that into consideration. What this community is asking is to do a type of overhaul on the settings system. There is more to it than people think. Over all legally any service can have a settings adjustment and would be fine in terms supporting options. SE does try to adjust to it's players base the best they can, however from a business perspective you need think about certain things.

First how big is the issue affecting the client base?

is it affecting all subscribers, half subscribers, some subscribers. Depending on that a company can take action.

Are their more urgent issues?

Are people complaining more about a completely different subject ( connections, compatibility ) that is affecting more members than a minor percentage.

Think of it this way. What do people complain more about? Sensory issues or housing? What percentage of the player base is being affected? If it's not affecting normally a minimum of 35% as a whole chances are they are not being considered top of the list versus lets say DDOS attack that has affected a higher base.

In no way , shape, or form am I against changes, what I am surprised is that people complain without exploring all their options because they are too lazy to do so.

Now if your leaving a party behind do to your migraine guess what your health is more important and if they are your friends they will understand. That is what LS , FC, or other forms of communication can be used. Their is even a party finder after someone disconnects or needs to be replace. Don't worry they will live on unless they choose not to replace you. No one is that special and can be replaced. Yes we feel bad for doing so, however it is not something that can force the whole game to stop in it's tracks. Yes having a disability is not something we ask for, however it is not a reason to use it as an excuse when there are options.

[Cold_Raven]

What this community is asking is to do a type of overhaul on the whole system. There is more to it than people think.

What?

Providing a sound slider for existing sounds would be an overhaul on the whole system?
Um... no.
Not unless it was programmed by evolutionary-guided-code-creation instead of thinking people running under the smallest amount of structure.

The game already has sliders for some sounds.
User macros are obviously sectioned apart on their own (as they are treated differently from other sounds).
It would not be difficult to create some sort of similar-volume-slider for user macro sounds.
It would simply require some programmer time dedicated to the task.
It's simply a matter of deciding if that programmer time is best spent here, or better spent somewhere else possibly providing more benefit to more users.

You're making it sound like they're asking to overwrite any sound in the game with their own .mp3 file or something.

Yes, testing is obviously required, as it is with any change.
But the testing/implementation for this sort of thing would be as easy as it gets... simply taking some time.

[ManuelBravo]

Sorry meant the SFX system and/or certain coding for certain actions as a whole.

[ManuelBravo]

What?

Yes, testing is obviously required, as it is with any change.
But the testing/implementation for this sort of thing would be as easy as it gets... simply taking some time.

Time which again needs to be gauged from a business perspective based on the amount of player based being affected by it or being supported by. I do coding and have a business major, myself so I apologize should have been more specific.

Hmmm as for how easy it varies really. Can't really judge unless you know their system.

[Kisagami]

Time which again needs to be gauged from a business perspective based on the amount of player based being affected by it or being supported by. I do coding and have a business major, myself so I apologize should have been more specific.

Hmmm as for how easy it varies really. Can't really judge unless you know their system.

I’m not removing or stopping my SUGGESTION thread just because you think it’ll take away time from developers. Why are we debating this? What is your end goal here? What you are saying is irrelevant to the topic and frankly just making people feel invalidated. You are NOT SE. you are not a GM. My suggestion obviously was relevant enough to get a community lead response. And this debate is distracting from the actual suggestions of how such a thing can be implemented. I keep amending my thread for different ideas - the developers can choose the easiest.

Why out of all the SUGGESTION threads are you nitpicking this one?

In no way , shape, or form am I against changes, what I am surprised is that people complain without exploring all their options because they are too lazy to do so.

however it is not something that can force the whole game to stop in it's tracks. Yes having a disability is not something we ask for, however it is not a reason to use it as an excuse when there are options.

Made previous thread asking if I can disable macro sounds. Check. (Look at my previous threads)
Asked Reddit if there was a way to edit the sounds myself. Check.
Turned system settings down to 1%. Check.
Asked friends not to use macro sound effects. Check.
Asked other party members not to use them if they can. Check.
Got response from community leaders on a macro sounds disable. Check.
Friend sent email to a FF14 model modder who said he could modify sounds like he does models. Check.

Now who’s lazy here? I have everything I can do on my end. But I was told I can make suggestions on forums AND I DID.

[ManuelBravo]

I’m not removing or stopping my SUGGESTION thread just because you think it’ll take away time from developers. Why are we debating this? What is your end goal here? What you are saying is irrelevant to the topic and frankly just making people feel invalidated. You are NOT SE. you are not a GM. My suggestion obviously was relevant enough to get a community lead response. And this debate is distracting from the actual suggestions of how such a thing can be implemented. I keep amending my thread for different ideas - the developers can choose the easiest.

Why out of all the SUGGESTION threads are you nitpicking this one?

Look first of all I am not asking you to remove your suggestions, these so called nitpicking that you call them are not targeted at you or this thread. The things that I am debating / pointing out have been solutions that I have been given do to my sensory disability. In no way shape or form did I ever say I was SE or a GM, ( not for this game anyways ). I hate to burst your bubble the reality is that certain things take time and as you may have noticed there are different perspectives. As for the comment of making people feel invalidated, really? So voicing experience on the matter is considered invalidation? Look if your too concern and think everything is about you, sorry to disappoint you no one is being singled out. I have many friend who have visual, sensory, and physical disabilities who struggle on a daily bases just to use the internet. They have to had special equipment installed and as you may already know not all websites are friendly to people with visual and some sensory disabilities. Never the less we all enjoy the game and we cope the way we can. All I did was give suggestions and a realistic perspective.How people perceive it is their choice. I respect your perspective and unless the shoe fits and your taking it to heart there really is no reason to get offended by it. We all do what we can and if you have had another thread in the past about the same subject why not continue updating it? That will actually help more than starting a new one was your last thread also giving information that you did not agree with so you just decided to start a new one?

[BillyKaplan]

I hate to burst your bubble the reality is that certain things take time and as you may have noticed there are different perspectives.

That is not a reason for anyone to not try and champion their cause, especially when what it boils down to is making the game anything from more comfortable to more accessible. No one goes to the forums thinking their post will immediately get translated into an emergency patch, so this kind of logic is redundant. You know what absolutely will make the devs not implement this? Not letting them know people want it.

That will actually help more than starting a new one

Iono, we got a community rep in here, that seems to have gone as far as forum posts can go...