Please make a vote surrender option in Rival Wings

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh wow, I didn't know anyone took notice of me like that! I'm glad to have helped you that way, and I definitely hope I have you on my team in the future!

And yes, a disturbing lack of fighting spirit is missing from PvP these days. It's infuriating, especially seeing how self-justified these quitters try to be. Sometimes you just can't win. Sometimes, you're going to suffer a crushing defeat, but I'd rather die a fool on my feet than live a know-it-all on my knees.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Oh wow, I didn't know anyone took notice of me like that! I'm glad to have helped you that way, and I definitely hope I have you on my team in the future!

And yes, a disturbing lack of fighting spirit is missing from PvP these days. It's infuriating, especially seeing how self-justified these quitters try to be. Sometimes you just can't win. Sometimes, you're going to suffer a crushing defeat, but I'd rather die a fool on my feet than live a know-it-all on my knees.

I see your name often on the forums and have had you before in a really good Shatter match! xD

I agree, though. The worst is when they are right in us losing, but I mean - if you won't even bother trying to turn things around, what are you queueing for? Of course we'll lose if people just throw in the glove and afk at base the moment something goes south - it's a self-made outcome. I feel like if we had a vote to throw things in, it'd be abused a lot or spammed the same way people try to spam Vote Abandon in DF duties... -.-

[Guesswhat]

Hmmm, the time saving thing is its only positive aspect. The potential blow to morale and/or defeatist mentality in a casual game like like this is too big. Also there is the possibility of abuse etc. as already mentioned before. (as a sidenote, the bot thing could be fixed by a threshold of minimum performance, like in FATES).

RW has a big issue with time though. The majority of the matches so far runs out on time. It may change as peeps get more familiar, but one should see that by now... Or not, this is the FF14 player-base after all lulz.

This actually was a problem in other matches too, in Shatter if you are at 300 points at the half way mark, you might as well give up, because you can't magically outplay people to make up a 300 point gap. there are points where the match is just lost, but keeps going on.

There are matches you can't win, but 300 points behind in Seize at half-time... C'mon, that should, in most cases, be totally doable. For instance, participate were leading team goes and coordinate your team to flank them with 3rd team. It can be frustrating with team of randoms, sure, but if done efficiently, 300 points can melt pretty quickly.

[RiyahArp]

You're depending on the other team to act in concert with you. If they are second place...they don't attack first, they attack third. On Primal, Mael would be first and Adder...would try to close the gap by farming flames, unless flames literally was so low they wouldn't give points for kills. It makes sense, because 5 points is easier to get from third than first. It got to the point where adders could be counted on not to engage mael in shatter, and were often in the perpetual number 2 spot.

A lot of the solutions here to me don't seem rooted in how people actually play sometimes.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

That's because people often don't play smart. . . If I'm trying to gain a lead on the first place team, why would I attack third? They don't matter nearly as much in a situation where each KO is points lost from that team. Why go after the small fry when I could actively reduce the leading team's points? And if I were third place in that scenario, attack both! "Assist" second place, and once they're engaged, hit them both. Sounds dirty, but it's strategic, and it works.

Oh, and if I were first place? Continue to crush all that challenge me and top it off with a noblewoman's laugh. Ohoho!

Edit: Now I actually want a /ohoho

[RiyahArp]

Because the lead team will kill you back, and make the point gain less overall. Like you kill 4, they kill 3, you did a lot of effort for little gain. But you kill 4 of the third place for only 1, you actually get closer to filling the gap. The only way you can avoid this is if both teams bumrush the team in the lead, who actually fights back. A lot of itmes in seal rock you were better off abandoning the node instead of doing that.

But yeah, that gave me no end of frustration in shatter. The one thing you learn about gamers is that expecting them to play in certain ways is bound to fail.

[Newmanxeno]

I was going to say “reduce the time by five minutes” but tonight I had a match where we needed just a bit more than that...I hate this mode. Hopefully tonight’s patch makes it go faster.

[GenericMagus]

Thanks to cannon nerfs I guess thats one way to end the stalemate at the end of defending, now those who are defending can't push back as hard and so the match ends quicker.

[silverlunarfox]

The fact that one particular role can effectively block progress on main objectives in a match really highlights a problem that needs addressing, and I hope that's what 4.18 is all about.

so much for 4.18.... :/

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I took the day off to rest after a rather busy period at work, and maybe play a little later. But in all honesty, I don't even feel like logging in today.