Please make a vote surrender option in Rival Wings

[rulerofsaturn]

I would say no to a vote surrender option. As it is I believe people give up far too quickly and even if there's no way to reverse it(which is almost never the case anyway), a loss can be a learning opportunity.

I've seen a couple 8-9 minute stompings, which do suck. However in most of them at least one person, if not multiple, loudly complained we lost two minutes in because we didn't get the middle. This has a huge psychological effect, if someone says its hopeless then it automatically gives the rest of the team an excuse to not try as hard. It's not over until its over.

I've also seen huge comebacks because the group hadn't given up and used the options they had to the best of their ability. Mammets can do a lot of damage to towers and give some CE, which can get you a mech for a bigger comeback. Or someone could be very good at using the BJ, and so on. And even if a comeback isn't possible, you can use the time to practice or try something new and different.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This was my 9 minute disaster. They had stacked healers on top and bottom. It was ridiculous. however with good communications, comebacks even with healer stacking, is possible. I've seen it more than once. It just wasn't happening that game..... *shrugs* oh well.

The fact that one particular role can effectively block progress on main objectives in a match really highlights a problem that needs addressing, and I hope that's what 4.18 is all about.

[silverlunarfox]

The fact that one particular role can effectively block progress on main objectives in a match really highlights a problem that needs addressing, and I hope that's what 4.18 is all about.

so much for 4.18.... :/

[Canadane]

While turnarounds are possible, it's not as easy to do as say, The Feast.
In The Feast it's designed to be back and fourth.

I think steps to prevent total dominance in Rival Wings should be the first step.

[RiyahArp]

They can only block it because it stays static the whole match, though. Seal Rock id the right thing by having the resource degrade over time and relocate.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh wow, I didn't know anyone took notice of me like that! I'm glad to have helped you that way, and I definitely hope I have you on my team in the future!

And yes, a disturbing lack of fighting spirit is missing from PvP these days. It's infuriating, especially seeing how self-justified these quitters try to be. Sometimes you just can't win. Sometimes, you're going to suffer a crushing defeat, but I'd rather die a fool on my feet than live a know-it-all on my knees.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Oh wow, I didn't know anyone took notice of me like that! I'm glad to have helped you that way, and I definitely hope I have you on my team in the future!

And yes, a disturbing lack of fighting spirit is missing from PvP these days. It's infuriating, especially seeing how self-justified these quitters try to be. Sometimes you just can't win. Sometimes, you're going to suffer a crushing defeat, but I'd rather die a fool on my feet than live a know-it-all on my knees.

I see your name often on the forums and have had you before in a really good Shatter match! xD

I agree, though. The worst is when they are right in us losing, but I mean - if you won't even bother trying to turn things around, what are you queueing for? Of course we'll lose if people just throw in the glove and afk at base the moment something goes south - it's a self-made outcome. I feel like if we had a vote to throw things in, it'd be abused a lot or spammed the same way people try to spam Vote Abandon in DF duties... -.-

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

That's because people often don't play smart. . . If I'm trying to gain a lead on the first place team, why would I attack third? They don't matter nearly as much in a situation where each KO is points lost from that team. Why go after the small fry when I could actively reduce the leading team's points? And if I were third place in that scenario, attack both! "Assist" second place, and once they're engaged, hit them both. Sounds dirty, but it's strategic, and it works.

Oh, and if I were first place? Continue to crush all that challenge me and top it off with a noblewoman's laugh. Ohoho!

Edit: Now I actually want a /ohoho

[RiyahArp]

Because the lead team will kill you back, and make the point gain less overall. Like you kill 4, they kill 3, you did a lot of effort for little gain. But you kill 4 of the third place for only 1, you actually get closer to filling the gap. The only way you can avoid this is if both teams bumrush the team in the lead, who actually fights back. A lot of itmes in seal rock you were better off abandoning the node instead of doing that.

But yeah, that gave me no end of frustration in shatter. The one thing you learn about gamers is that expecting them to play in certain ways is bound to fail.

[Newmanxeno]

I was going to say “reduce the time by five minutes” but tonight I had a match where we needed just a bit more than that...I hate this mode. Hopefully tonight’s patch makes it go faster.