Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
To be honest though, there's no real reason to bother with joining coil or any of the "help newbie modes" once you've hit 70 on the jobs you want. People keep going on about the bonus, but poetics and verity are useless right now. What SE did when they realized this was force the relic to use an insane amount of tomes so you did all the help newbie modes once per day, and when that peaked they added wondrous tails, which gave rewards for doing the yet again.

The problem now though is we're back to the modes being useless for vets. the only worthwhile attainable thing from WT now is tier 6 craft/gather materia. I have a very nasty feeling our relic is going to go back to a tome grind when they realize this again.
personally I dont mind tome grinds, or any real grind period, its just when they add RNG elements to the grind that bug me. the atma portion of the first relic was the part that broke my desire to get it, I would have done the fate grinding if it was a guarantee'd drop but it was all a dice roll if you even got it.