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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    That's only true to Lakshmi, but for a good reason.
    Garuda looks humanoid but I wouldn't say she is beautiful, more like creepy tbh. Plus the real Garuda is a human being.
    Meanwhile Sophia is what she is because she's a homage to the FFVI version.
    And then Shiva is an Elezen so she's supposed to be human-like.
    The problem is that we know that primals change their look depending on the summoners. So why should the current Ixals, who never really knew the old Garuda, summon her as that and not as an overgrown Ixal woman? Yet Titan and other male primals (Ramuh is the only one looking more human) are way more beastly.

    Again out of the triad Sophia, the only female, is also the only one that is really human looking. I know that they did it as a homage yet it would still be nice to be more consistent with the primals and not always make the females the good looking ones and the males beastly.

    In the end this is just for fanservice or as an homage and I find this a bit sad..why not change it a bit and make a good looking male primal and a really beastly lady? Or make them both look more like primals from their race. I mean Shiva is fine since she is the imagination of Ysayle and the old Shiva was a human. But I just cant believe that the Ananta or the Ixal would summon something so human looking. And look at Lakshimi from the waist up, she truly looks like a real human. While the faces of the Ananta dont look that human. So why would they summon their goddess in such a way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    While the faces of the Ananta dont look that human. So why would they summon their goddess in such a way?
    You can't even really use the argument that that's what they consider beautiful because basically every single interaction with an Ananta in the game shows that they think themselves to be quite beautiful already, thank you. Certain quests have you fetch items so they can create cosmetics for their scales, a trait that is sorely lacking from Lakshmi. Saying the way Lakshmi looks is how your character perceives beauty to be is also a no no because I doubt a Roe and an Au Ra perceive the same things to be beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    The problem is that we know that primals change their look depending on the summoners. So why should the current Ixals, who never really knew the old Garuda, summon her as that and not as an overgrown Ixal woman? Yet Titan and other male primals (Ramuh is the only one looking more human) are way more beastly.
    I'm sure they just say that for lore reasons but won't really bother designing another version of that Primal.
    I'd also say they try to keep the designs similar to past FFs, particularly FFXI (only true to ARR Primals) because Garuda and Titan from there compared to here are almost identical, so still I think it's only true to Lakshmi which you gave good points for.

    Not that I am disagreeing btw, I also want to see things done differently like another humanlike male Primal though, kinda like FFXV Ifrit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Again out of the triad Sophia, the only female, is also the only one that is really human looking. I know that they did it as a homage yet it would still be nice to be more consistent with the primals and not always make the females the good looking ones and the males beastly.
    Well Sophia has humans (we've seen Elezen, Hyur and Roegadyn thralls) as her worshippers, so it kinda makes sense they would imagine their Goddess to be humanoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    So why would they summon their goddess in such a way?
    With the summoning, it does depend on the state of mind of the summoners at the time - when Bahamut was summoned, he was influenced by Tiamat's grief and anger.

    Within the scope of the lore, it is possible that Lakshmi's appearance was influenced by that, and under more deliberate circumstances she may have looked different.

    That being said, it's almost certainly a case of just kind of rolling with a "this is how the Broodmother pictured her for some reason when she summoned her in her grief" while the actual design was meant to be an homage to previous designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Within the scope of the lore, it is possible that Lakshmi's appearance was influenced by that, and under more deliberate circumstances she may have looked different.
    But that didn't happen to Titan. All that changed was his personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Well Sophia has humans (we've seen Elezen, Hyur and Roegadyn thralls) as her worshippers, so it kinda makes sense they would imagine their Goddess to be humanoid.
    True, still sad that she was the only one that got a more human appearance while the males ones in the triad are beastly. I mean how big is the chance that she was the only one that got worshiped by human looking races and the other two not? Honestly in the end as a real life woman I just want more female enemies that look different than "mostly beautiful with some beastly parts". Heck the only one that comes to my mind that looks at least way more beastly is Echidna in the 24 man raid. And on top of that I want just some more handsome male enemies. Just some more mixed up stuff so that I can still be surprised in a way and not think "oh another female primal well she will probably look xx way".

    Maybe I am just hoping for too much. Since I am not a general FF fan (barely played other games in the series) I dont feel a huge way when they introduce certain primals as a homage. In the end I want them to make sense in FF14 and sometimes I do wonder if the part with the homage and fanservice is not taking a bit away from the game itself. (I mean was it ever explained why the bosses look a certain way in the new 24 man raid? Because for me they just feel a bit off since they are just there.) But thats probably a post for another topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post

    Within the scope of the lore, it is possible that Lakshmi's appearance was influenced by that, and under more deliberate circumstances she may have looked different.
    But the Ananta queen was angered and sad over the death of her beloved daughter. If the feelings are changing the primal then shouldnt she have looked more savage? Or acted more angry? Titan is a good example because we saw him summoned again where he was influenced by the rage of the child and thus even attacked his own believers. If such an anger and grief makes a primal so angry why was Laskhimi so calm?

    Sometimes it feels like the "lore" behind the primals is a bit changing. They said that they dont have one set of appearance and that they change depending on their believer. So Titan and Ifrit makes sense. Garuda being a woman makes sense too if they still know that she was original a woman. Yet her appearance is a big change towards the other two and makes less sense. Then we have Ramuh who is one of the male primals where I am not sure why he was summoned in that way since the slyphs dont even look anyway near human. Here it feels just like "other FF Ramuhs looked that way so we will do it that way too".

    Its just on one hand you will have primals that at least follow the rule of "looking like the summoners want them to" and others that just look a certain way for homages and fanservice. But that just might be me.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    So why should the current Ixals, who never really knew the old Garuda, summon her as that and not as an overgrown Ixal woman? Yet Titan and other male primals (Ramuh is the only one looking more human) are way more beastly.
    Because that's what the legend for them is. The story passed down through the generations have this image of them and it's not going to change. Changing that imagine would basically be heresy and would likely get the summoner killed, but since they have to have enough faith in that image in the first place, I don't see it happening. The basis of Garuda was human, all imagery and stories of her will be human like. She as become more ixali over the years, but her image is still very much human. The story of her existence hasn't changed much since then. Ramuh's image literally hasn't changed. He's in the image of Rhaelgar. And sadly, we don't know what Titan is based off of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    But the Ananta queen was angered and sad over the death of her beloved daughter. If the feelings are changing the primal then shouldnt she have looked more savage? Or acted more angry? .
    Maybe.

    Also possible that in her grief she envisaged a world where those before her (Hyur) accepted their goddess and made the sole pursuit of their life the acquisition of beauty instead of attacking them in hatred, and that led to a merging of the two forms - Ananta and Hyur. Sudden grief does strange things to the mind.

    In other words, there's a myriad of ways we can explain how the Broodmother's state of mind influenced the appearance of their goddess within the lore.

    As for Ramuh, his appearance is based on legend, much like with Garuda. The Sylphs' version of Ramuh is that of a wise old sage that has helped them in the past (which, with the Garuda information we have, strongly implies the Sylph legend is based on a real person from era's past). Much like with the Vanu Vanu, who summon a sky whale because that is the form their legend takes, despite being fat bird people.

    I'm also confused why you feel like Titan and Ifrit are somehow special - they look nothing like the race that summons them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    But that didn't happen to Titan. All that changed was his personality.
    I wasn't saying the emotional and mental state of the summoner has to change the appearance, just suggesting that it can.

    Also, as far as I know, we don't actually know what they believe she looks like, and we have quite a few examples already of the primal not actually looking like those who summon them (Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Bismarck, Susano).
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