Tanks not holding aggro in dungeons? The new norm?

[Lambdafish]

as main tank and casual healer，I personally don't mind where aggro goes, everyone has a hp bar, tank it yourself if you have it....role skills to control aggro exist, use them....

Wtf man... If you really are a main tank then you really don't know how to do your job. If you are losing hate then alarm bells should be going off, party utility or not

[Kabooa]

I didn't say it could dump aggro - I simply said one emnity related ability (non-inherent). Just spoke out of muscle memory seeing as even my L61 MNK has been stealing aggro from tanks while using above mentioned ability. May as well have tanked the dungeon myself, but then again she's in shire gear - I suspect these late levellers didn't get that luxury. Either that or they just didn't know how to aggro appropriately (though I will politely assume it was on my end, everybody wins).

It takes extreme gear disparity to lose threat. Like almost 60 full ilvls of gear. Threat modifiers in this game are insane.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Here is my opinion as a tank and DRK main, when big pulls happen I need to keep both Darkside AND Grit active so that means no mana refresh status EVER, and since it virtually impossible for DRK to run out of TP by making their physical AoE attack cost blood gauge instead of TP for some reason which just so happens to restore MP I constantly have to spam Unleash to hold aggro and kill things 1 at a time(maybe the biggest argument that people want DRK to get buffed aside from better mitigation and better DPS because speed runs are a thing but if they happen to make Souleater apply a powerful Bloodbath effect that also increases damage dealt and reduces damage taken it's a step in the right direction) and for me it's safer to do small pulls unless healer asks me to do big pulls and since I have done some runs of Drowned City as NIN where DRK did a lot of big pulls that I couldn't handle and healer kept them alive, so they must have been gear capped...

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

Big pulls whit DRK is only positive thing left whit that class.
Because raid sene DRK is so out of meta its sad.

Reasons why tank could not hold aggro.
Mostly due fact he was bad but there are few things that can screw tank over.

Example Casting DOT heal on tank mid pull when they get stack of mobs together can make mess of things.
DPS class focusing 1 mobs in stack off mobs in mid pull pulling that on himself whilde tank is moving forward to grab full stack.

if theres senarios happen it will be mess because usualy whit ppl who get aggro run awey (awey from tank) and then its benny hill time where tank chace mob that is chaceing dps.
at that point eather tank dies or healer pull off aggro because tank could not continiue normal aoe rotation on full stack.

but 80% time its just bad tank who dont know what tank-stance stand for because ppl in raid dont use tankstance so why would i use it in normal dungeon.

[Aomine1992]

I think a bad run or two doesn’t make all tanks bad lol or this a “norm”

In leveling content you may receive a new tank or a bad one every once in a while but it’s not as often as non dps healers and single targeting dps doesn’t make it a norm it’s just a random occurrence move on and maybe tank some yourself

Also give them some constructive criticism instead of running to the forums, yes they may tell you to F***** off but I bet you either they leave, get kicked or at least attempt to do better

[Lunali]

It takes extreme gear disparity to lose threat. Like almost 60 full ilvls of gear. Threat modifiers in this game are insane.

To drive that point home, my lvl 60 drk can typically hold hate against lvl 70 dps in unsynced trials, though it does require me to actually be in tank stance.

In normal situations, if a tank loses hate, (as opposed to not having it to begin with) it isn't because they couldn't hold hate but because they didn't want to (to passive aggessively teach the dps a lesson) or they were focused on something else, usually doing damage.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

I'm playing DRK as main class and when I pull I make an abyssal drain in the pack and then 2-3 unleash... I saw you coming, why unleash instead of Abyssal drain? Before all, consider this opening is only on little pack of 2 or 3 add that hit like hell (like in the Doma castle). I can't explain why, but it seems that Unleash generate way much more enmity than abyssal drain and cost less, after that I go to single target Dps for killing add quickly so I got a better sustain in some unpredictable case.

Of course, if the pack of mobs is clearly high, abyssal drain should be spam 120 potency x the amount of trash, even a dark arts with somewhere for huge healing.

But to return to the subject, I think some tanks forget what role they got, keeping the aggro on them. And just like someone say, Flash = no damage = bad, or at least it's the way they think.

For me a good tank is the tank who don't let a single monster go on his allies

[RylaBee]

Paladins, much to my disgust, are indeed the root of the issue - out-of-the-running-mill Paladins often believe that no damage = bad and cannot possibly cause enough Enmity alone and therefore use enmity combos, Circle of Scorn and Total Eclipse primarily on trash packs.

If anything, a bad wave of Paladin players, but definitely not the norm. 2-3x Flash into FoF + Total Eclipse spam is the way to go. If using Flash in Shield Oath 3-4x, you can technically go into Sword Oath after that (with a Rampart at least...) and do your AOE combo in the DPS stance.

It is soo funny that you say this.

I was complaining about need to Flash-spamm during multiple-pack pulls as PLD in another thread, and was bashed down by others, that I should Flash just once and then CoS+TE.
I guess I'm not the only PLD that finds flash-spamm oh-so-boring. But I agree with you, that just one Flash + dps skills will NOT hold aggro against geared dps.

[ManuelBravo]

Wow another one of these huh? Things to consider with this whole idea of new norm;

First; is this a new tank type; raising level not in sync or fully cap?

Second; are they well equip compared to rest of group? ( even in sync yes it makes a slight difference depending on tanking experience )

Third; Do they say they are new even though you can tell by their performance?

Chances are they are new to tank role / have fate / Palace of The Dead grind a tank job and lack mechanics.

IF people are complaining about how a tank over pulls, under pulls, can't keep hate, then people should really stop complaining and have either a tank role and switch or at a minimum have a friend tank to help you before queuing in otherwise that is the nature of Luck.

Also UNLESS YOU HAVE ALSO A MAIN TANK ROLE PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR ALL MIGHTY EXPECTATIONS. IF YOU DON'T TANK DON'T JUDGE.

[bswpayton]

ever sense they jacked up threat on flash and other stuff losing argo isnt really a thing , unless you pulling one add and the dps insist on attacking that one add as u go pull more and not watching their damage, but I think unleash and flash as it stands now have the most threat they have ever had sounds like op just had some bad luck