Tanks not holding aggro in dungeons? The new norm?

[Eclair_Xysha]

Honestly.... As a PLD second main.... I really have no problems keeping agro. As long as grear is within certain iLV to keep up with a DPS that has maxed out raid grear, you should be fine without dropping shield oath + spam flash and ragecombo + circle.

I just think people don't really understand how the agro system works with the skillset in tanks that are given. PLD is super easy and straight forward once you have the mindset of "spam flash". If one can't manage as a PLD, I also believe one can't manage the two other tank roles.

[Moogly]

May be adding some sound when there's aggro loss would make thing easier for some ?
Or adding that little red circle next to the mob's floating health bar ? Something like the threatplate addon ?

As many others said, on a PLD, threat isn't a problem at all, on a dungeon boss fight you can easily keep aggro with just a roh combo and spend the rest of the fight on sword oath.
And from what I've played with other tanks, I don't think they should have multi aggro problem (unleash and dominate give so much threat...)

once you have the mindset of "spam flash"

I can confirm that was hard for me... especially when the other two tanks have such flashy moves like unleash and dominate !
Not to mention the animation and the sound of flash are so uncool !
I felt the same with holy spirit : I hate that part of the rotation, feels so dumb to be a caster with swords and shield :/

[Eclair_Xysha]

I can confirm that was hard for me... especially when the other two tanks have such flashy moves like unleash and dominate !
Not to mention the animation and the sound of flash are so uncool !
I felt the same with holy spirit : I hate that part of the rotation, feels so dumb to be a caster with swords and shield :/

LOL This just tells everyone that I'm freakin' lazy as hellllllllllllll

Spamming flash all day is lazy day for me. Which is practically almost every day.

[RylaBee]

I can confirm that was hard for me... especially when the other two tanks have such flashy moves like unleash and dominate !
Not to mention the animation and the sound of flash are so uncool !
I felt the same with holy spirit : I hate that part of the rotation, feels so dumb to be a caster with swords and shield :/

Yep, Flash gotta be one of the most boring moves in the game, and since you are so dependent on it on multi-pack pulls, it is no wonder PLD who dungeon often are going stir-crazy about using it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Yep, Flash gotta be one of the most boring moves in the game, and since you are so dependent on it on multi-pack pulls, it is no wonder PLD who dungeon often are going stir-crazy about using it.

After 46, no Paladin should be using Flash more than 4 times per pull. "Flash x2 -> (FoF) Total Eclipse x5 -> Flash (to apply 6s blind) -> Total Eclipse x4 -> Flash (to apply final 3s blind) -> move to single target rotation to kill weakest targets" should be the standard Paladin Trash pack rotation.

[RylaBee]

After 46, no Paladin should be using Flash more than 4 times per pull

Yep, after 46 levels, thats 3 times too many. :P

[Claire_Pendragon]

The issue is that the better tanks get annoyed at having to do the extra work not being done by others.
Fixing other peoples mistakes is fine, as everyone likes to help contribute usually, but the problem is, you give an inch, ppl take a mile.
It's now the norm to have RDMs main heal and do all the rezzing, because healers wanna spam stone and watch netflix.
Tanks have to fix the DPS mistakes, and ppl stop attempting to fix their own mistakes, as they know the tank will do it.
"get gud" to the person who's not the one needing to improve.

As a RDM, I popped all my stuff, and for some reason I tabbed to the wrong mob in the distance, right after the WAR double steel cycloned.
I brought the mob(s) back to the WAR, since I knew they were left using overpower.
I popped lucid, and the primary taget I had the most dmg on, was just outside of overpowers reach, and lucid wasnt enough of a threat drop.
(I was still doing my AoE burst, so I was still gaining threat)
The WAR adjusted and fixed my mistake.
The other DPS went off on the WAR.
I said, it was my mistake, not hers/his.
They tried to fix my mistake, which isnt their job to fix my mistakes, its MY job to fix my mistakes, they were being nice helping me.

The other DPS kept nagging the tank the whole time, the ENTIRE run after that.
And thats pretty much what Im used to as tank, except the other DPS always refuses to admit their mistakes, and actually joins in on the other DPS nagging.
(Its almost always a DPS who just doesnt grasp whos at fault for a situation, due to always being spoiled by those going out of their way to fix the mistakes made by the same DPS)

As for the lesser tanks, ive usually just sat them down and talked to them, and 75% of the time, they look to improve, where as 25% of them either dont understand english, or have just turned off PT chat and dont respond.
(I also turn off PT chat when Im tanking, just because ppl say the most stupid of stuff, and holding perfect hate, always having a CD up, and turning off tank stance of boss fights, and pulling more than 1 group when the group can handle it, just still isnt enough for 50% of my groups)
I also dont tank anymore, because its no longer fun enough to outweigh peoples unreasonable nagging, where as i used to love how DRK played in 3.x

[SummerScorcher]

A friend of mine didn't want to level Paladin because he found it a, I quote, "pussy flashing job" lol.

[Anienai]

A friend of mine didn't want to level Paladin because he found it a, I quote, "pussy flashing job" lol.

Your friend is correct.

[Usho]

I get to "Flash" my enemies so I don't mind it. ;D