Tanks not holding aggro in dungeons? The new norm?

[Driskus]

Just curious, is only using AoE enmity skills once per pack of mobs the norm now? Most of the tanks I see lately can't even hold aggro on single packs. Like most of the PLDs I see Flash once and then concentrate on a single mob after they're done pulling, while the rest of the group expects to be able to AoE everything. Its quite stressful as a healer to have to deal with the mobs playing ping-pong constantly. Its also making runs very slow since DPS is getting capped due to risk of death from pulling aggro.

I sure hope this isn't the new norm.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

This definitely is NOT the norm of how to deal with packs of mobs.

WAR's overpower is the best way for consistent AOE damage and it comes with bonus Enmity. DRK has less damage before Lv56 with Unleash, but jumps into the same bit as WAR with Abyssal Drain. Paladins, much to my disgust, are indeed the root of the issue - out-of-the-running-mill Paladins often believe that no damage = bad and cannot possibly cause enough Enmity alone and therefore use enmity combos, Circle of Scorn and Total Eclipse primarily on trash packs.

If anything, a bad wave of Paladin players, but definitely not the norm. 2-3x Flash into FoF + Total Eclipse spam is the way to go. If using Flash in Shield Oath 3-4x, you can technically go into Sword Oath after that (with a Rampart at least...) and do your AOE combo in the DPS stance.

[RylaBee]

Paladins, much to my disgust, are indeed the root of the issue - out-of-the-running-mill Paladins often believe that no damage = bad and cannot possibly cause enough Enmity alone and therefore use enmity combos, Circle of Scorn and Total Eclipse primarily on trash packs.

If anything, a bad wave of Paladin players, but definitely not the norm. 2-3x Flash into FoF + Total Eclipse spam is the way to go. If using Flash in Shield Oath 3-4x, you can technically go into Sword Oath after that (with a Rampart at least...) and do your AOE combo in the DPS stance.

It is soo funny that you say this.

I was complaining about need to Flash-spamm during multiple-pack pulls as PLD in another thread, and was bashed down by others, that I should Flash just once and then CoS+TE.
I guess I'm not the only PLD that finds flash-spamm oh-so-boring. But I agree with you, that just one Flash + dps skills will NOT hold aggro against geared dps.

[BorisDaBlade]

Yup. You get a couple of bad runs and decide it’s an epidemic.

Don’t like it? Roll tank and do it yourself.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Don’t like it? Roll tank and do it yourself.

Literally the single-most reason why I main tank.

[aqskerorokero]

as main tank and casual healer，I personally don't mind where aggro goes, everyone has a hp bar, tank it yourself if you have it....role skills to control aggro exist, use them....

[Azerhan]

as main tank and casual healer，I personally don't mind where aggro goes, everyone has a hp bar, tank it yourself if you have it....role skills to control aggro exist, use them....

The goal of a Tank is keeping aggro.

Btw, MNK and SAM haven't a spell to reduce enmity, and if you don't do regularly your aoe aggro abilities, you'll lost aggro. Then it's your fault. Dps are here to dps, if they have to limitate themselves because you don't want to do your job, so you're bad.

Sorry to tell you that.

[Lambdafish]

as main tank and casual healer，I personally don't mind where aggro goes, everyone has a hp bar, tank it yourself if you have it....role skills to control aggro exist, use them....

Wtf man... If you really are a main tank then you really don't know how to do your job. If you are losing hate then alarm bells should be going off, party utility or not

[Visanis]

This kind of thing has happened since the release of ARR. It's not like we have all huddled together and signed a blood pact to screw over the entire games population from now on by not keeping aggro.

Sometimes you just get bad tanks, just like there are bad healers and bad DPS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RopeDrink]

Er, I'm pretty sure MNK does indeed have one emnity related ability.

EDIT: Correction, they can take 'diversion' - cross-class, nothing inherent.