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  1. #21
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    But it is. The numbers you gave in your post on Aspected Benefic show a 5x increase, and a 3x increase on Aspected Helios when you use the relevant ability to buff it. That's silly.
    Well you can see how balanced Astro is when you have only Diu Astros in Coil Savage....... so it sucks. Astro needs good chances or he will still suck.
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    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Ther is only Diur Astros in savage coil and only in world 9 and 12 kills, that mostly tells you how shit astro is atm.
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    Way Tiberius
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    Ther is only Diur Astros in savage coil and only in world 9 and 12 kills, that mostly tells you how shit astro is atm.
    Not really. Just means that people are more comfortable with the combo they are using. Noct AST is perfectly serviceable in Ultimate, you just have to play differently.
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  4. #24
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    Marius Heilstos
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    But it is. The numbers you gave in your post on Aspected Benefic show a 5x increase, and a 3x increase on Aspected Helios when you use the relevant ability to buff it. That's silly.
    mhh I saw that thanks for the Feedback. I emphasized again that this possibility does not exist. (So I changed it in the starting post) But you're right that would be really stupid. :S I have not changed the illustrations (But I hope that`s clear the shilds from Pic. 1 does not stack with the shild from Pic. 2) . But there should be a clear approval for single shields and group shields.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    Your time extensions are strong enough as is. It's not much that it has a slight edge in one sect over the other. It extends so much other stuff that it is really an after thought that it extends time shields/hot.
    I'm not sure if that's really true. I once thought about stormbloodstart and I can tell you that Diurnal is stronger. But in an emergency, see for yourself:

    Dirunal vs Noctrunal (Healing Stormblood)


    But you are right. I think it is irresolute to extend "Infusion of Mind" and "sprint" with Celestial Opposition. These are not realy Astrologain or role skills.^^
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    Last edited by Heilstos; 12-04-2017 at 08:19 AM.

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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    It heartens me to see so many players agree healers are balanced and need no major adjustments.

    The only change I predict is to Selene. She needs a bit more oomph to make her an attractive alternative to Eos.

    As things stand, Eos is always chosen. That's just wrong. What fairy a scholar uses should be a choice not a default.

    So, I believe there will be a change to Selene. Perhaps a boost to crit instead of speed.
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  6. #26
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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    that mostly tells you how shit astro is atm.
    Whelp, I've finally read it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

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    Aluvian Darkstar
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    Samurai Lv 80
    i hate SCH becoming more and more useless at healing, forcing me to parce ~4k DPS in raids with extremelly boring DPS rotation, instead of shielding group and GCD healing. Right now SCH using GCD healing more than very few times during raid considered a scrub. Although i do love dealing damage during raids, i feel like has been castrated since mid HW, when scholar was still good at shielding. now shielding\healing either needed only occasionaly (for pro groups), or used in casual raid groups, because main healer isn't as pro. but for that better take AST, since his shields much better, while keeping utility to the group.
    I know nobody will change route SCH has taken now, but at least add some more utility (more USEFUL buffs and rework Fey Union, maybe to tether actually buffing tethered person, instead of providing HOT, fit mostly for dungeons and utterly useless in raids).
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    Last edited by SilentVoice; 12-04-2017 at 07:28 PM.
    There's nothing blinder than the eyes that don't want to see

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    Dippin' Dots
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    Leviathan
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Healer balance seems pretty good right now. A couple QoL changes already mentioned maybe, but otherwise I like the current state.

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentVoice View Post
    i hate SCH becoming more and more useless at healing, forcing me to parce ~4k DPS in raids
    I'm guessing that was a typo.
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  9. #29
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    Hyomin Park
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by SilentVoice View Post
    i hate SCH becoming more and more useless at healing, forcing me to parce ~4k DPS in raids with extremelly boring DPS rotation, instead of shielding group and GCD healing. Right now SCH using GCD healing more than very few times during raid considered a scrub. Although i do love dealing damage during raids, i feel like has been castrated since mid HW, when scholar was still good at shielding. now shielding\healing either needed only occasionaly (for pro groups), or used in casual raid groups, because main healer isn't as pro. but for that better take AST, since his shields much better, while keeping utility to the group.
    I know nobody will change route SCH has taken now, but at least add some more utility (more USEFUL buffs and rework Fey Union, maybe to tether actually buffing tethered person, instead of providing HOT, fit mostly for dungeons and utterly useless in raids).
    To be fair, you should only be shielding/healing when necessary anyways. Anything more is an overheal, and a waste of your MP, not to mention unnecessary aggro generation because overhealing generates more aggro than just regular healing. As far as I know, that has been the case for a while, too. I would honestly consider that being a ‘norm’—because you should never heal more than necessary.

    Take this example: I was doing a V2S learning this past weekend, and my co-healer (Diurnal AST because I was on SCH to get in some SCH practice in Savage) was at 800 MP by the first Gravitational Manipulation. 800 MP.. Her healing rotation involved: 6 Aspected Benefics (on the tank), 3 Aspected Helios (refreshed before they expired), 5 Helios, 3 Benefic IIs, and 3 Benefic; maybe like one or two Malefic IIIs and Combust II. She had HoTs ticking the entire time, would use Helios any time just a few people took damage, and was pushing a 60% overheal. There were no raises. 800 MP. AND WE DID NOT HAVE A BARD OR MCH TO PROVIDE HER MP IN THIS GROUP.. This repeated for 4 pulls until the party disbanded because we couldn’t get past -100g (I think we hit tank/healer Long Drop once with 2 people alive).

    I feel a little confused about your post, to be honest, though...especially after talking with you in your rDPS thread about the best healer comps.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 12-05-2017 at 06:54 AM.

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    Vincent Highwindus
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SilentVoice View Post
    non sense.
    ?????
    First, 4k dps... What? I didn't know Scholar has the potential to deal the same damage as tanks.
    Second, no. AST's shields aren't "much better" than SCH's. Only about 15% with a longer cast time. Considering sacred soil, fairy AND the buffs provided by her (not mentioning the buff sch got on succor) we CAN'T compare AST with SCH.
    Third, SCH has utility. Chain Strategem and Fey Wind are there we also can't forget Fey Covenant.
    Fourth, coming by and SCH who does -
    amazingly- 4k dps you should know that Fey Union is good if used properly.
    Fifth, SCH isn't useless at healing. If you see speedkill logs almost all of them the Scholar does more healing than the other healer.
    SCH is the best healer atm, it doesn't need to change at all.
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