Thread: Try to predict Nerf/Buff/QoL of 4.2 Healer Edition

Originally Posted by Aeducan

WHM: More ways to generate lilies. I think someone mentioned potential ways of doing so in other threads and I really like that idea. I find myself casting cure 2 pretty often, even when healing is not necessary, just to generate lilies. Although not a game breaker, this can definitely get some QoL changes. Also, do something about fluid aura... make it deals damage, dot, anything! Other than that, I think WHM is in a great spot as powerhouse healer right now.

There was some talk about that on the Stone end, especially if they give a way to use them on DPS as well. Would certainly make things more dynamic.

I don't want much changes outside of QoL and maybe a slight nerf to scholar, because at the moment it is the go to healer. High personal dmg, underestimated raid utility and very good mitigation options.

Originally Posted by Aeducan

SCH: Selene... bless her heart. It has come to a point where people start asking me to switch to Eos even though I assured them that I can keep them alive with Selene.

Those people probably wanted eos, because eos is good at healing and can give both healers more time to dps. As for selene... At this point, it is probably best to delete selene in her current state and add her to Dissipation with a few new skills to make her more useful.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Something to weave ogcds on ast.
The clipping is awful atm and makes ppl sick.

Please this.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

Taken in isolation, AST's buffs are superior, however Chain can be guaranteed to align which Trick and such which allows it to punch far above it's weight.

I agree with you and imo balance isn't as strong as people think it is. There are some people doing the math and the last time i read something about it, was that in theory you need about 30-40% balance uptime to make ast/sch a stronger comp in terms of raiddps than whm/sch, because the latter push out an insane amount of personal dmg. Of course balance buffs everyones dmg and if the group cares more about their own dmg than the killtime of an encounter, than ast/sch is the go to comp. It is just interesting imo to see that ast/sch hasn't the 100% "save spot" in terms of raid dps as most people make it out to be.

I would love to see a "presets" system added in for classes, particularly for ACN/AST but also for MCH etc, so that you can spawn in with a preset Royal Road and Spread, have Aetherflow stacks already when you respawn, have MCH ammo and 5 Chakra stacks, etc. (Note: this is only for when you change to the job or wipe/respawn, NOT for when you raise with weakness or LB3)

Also, AST probably needs a tiny damage boost and maybe even WHM to catch back up with SCH.


Speaking of SCH please for the love of god finally fix Selene so that Silent Dusk does something actually useful and so that Fey Wind is 5%/on par with Expanded Arrow.

Another thing I would like to see is for SCH damage to make actual sense; it's strong obviously but we're spamming a DoT for AoE (which hurts my very soul), and can't even Ruin II to move because said DoT is stronger for weaving, not to mention the duration of Miasma I being super wonky for single target rotation compared to the other (meaning SMN's 30 and AST's 30, I suppose WHM also has some "strange" DoT timers). Consider giving SCH access to Miasma/Bio III and nerfing the potency of Broil II accordingly, also please reduce the initial potency of Miasma II and add that potency back in the DoT (for the same current total potency), and add a REAL AoE filler (I'd recommend Splash, working just like Blizzard II).

Originally Posted by WayofTime

I would love it if Break became an instant-cast spell at, like, 80 potency. Having to stop casting my GCD because I want to play with cards breaks my Astro heart!

Hey Way,

What do you said about may Idea for the Astro?



I liked Stella and with the change the skill would be great.

Edit: The reddit user Seradima would make the Stella a bit stronger.



Her/His Aguments:




I hope they adress the problem with Nocturnalfield and Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition. It does not bring anything to extend a shild to 50 sec. that breaks with 2 Autohits. Oo
And the Answer for that Problem is not to rise the multiplier. From 170% -> 250% [Noc. field (Aspected Benefic)] 120% -> 150% [Noc.field from Aspected Helios] (was the chances for Stormbloodstart).

Why do not extend Time Dilation or Celestial Opposition the Power from Noc. fields?

But like how looks the Idea for that?

I looked at the Redmage Talent "Embolden". A strong gain that wears off after a while. That represent the Idea from Time Dilation,"a process in which diverting a celestial body's otherwise straight flow of aether creates the illusion of slowed time, increasing the duration of beneficial magicks." (Jannequinard Quest "Feather in the Cap")

My idea is to transfer the principle of "Embolden" to nocturnal field.

We have 2. cases (single shilds and AoE) thats important.

Case I) Single shild from Aspected Benefic

The Noc. field have a duration from 30 secends. If we split the the 30 secends in 5 (principle of "Embolden") same long parts (thats 6 secs^^) and give it strong gain (like "Embolden") that is an multiplier.

If you use Time Dilation on the field from Aspected Benefic (On my average the field from Aspected Benefic is 12500*) that happen:



So we have a protective shield, which subsides after a certain period of time.

*{Numbers are for illustration}

IMPORTANT: You can only boost Aspected Benefic with Time Dilation and NOT with Celestial Opposition!!!

Case II) AoE Shild from Aspected Helios

Is the same case like One, but you can only use Celestial Opposition to reinforce the shild from Aspected Helios.

For AoE shilds we have only 3 steps and hold 10 secs.

If you use Aspected Helios (On my average the field from Aspected Helios is 5550*) and than Celestial Opposition:



*{Numbers are for illustration}

It is important to me to say that Noc. field from Aspected Benefic can only reinforce by Time Dilation and Noc. field from Aspected Helios can only reinforce with Celestial Opposition. Otherwise would have no Idea witch multiplier we have there.That's why I built this restriction^^

I know it's just a simple concept. You probably have suggestions for improvement.

Originally Posted by Tridus

... you don't see a balance problem with being able to quintuple the power of one shield and triple the power of another on demand?

It is important to me to say that Noc. field from Aspected Benefic can only reinforce by Time Dilation and Noc. field from Aspected Helios can only reinforce with Celestial Opposition.

Heyho Tridus,

This Option is not open to use. But if you ask me I forget it at the first idea development, a friend came to me and said that the idea was good, but you can boost shields with Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition and that to strong >.< .(That everyone one will agree^^) That's why the caveat that Time Dilation only shields through Aspected Benefic and Celestial Opposition only shields from the spell Aspected Helios.^^

Originally Posted by WayofTime

(...), but not really for the shields. And at any rate, I think Time Dilation usually should go on the DPS with a card, not the tank getting a tank buster.

Hey way,

That's the interesting part of the idea. It's right that you prefer extended cards for DPSs. I think rather my concept packs in the progress.

Where tanks do not know where to use which CD. This is the interpretation thread for the strength of the shield for a single target. If the tanks do not need your help anymore due to the correct cd manegment (or your partner White Mage helps with Divine Benison^^), then I would recommend strengthening cards. It is important to me that it is an option and not a compulsion and so with each Astro decide for themselves when Time Dilation should be used.

We have none of this when a samurai has a 15% balance (extended for 15 seconds), thereby biting Tank into the grass.^^