Try to predict Nerf/Buff/QoL of 4.2 Tank Edition

**Morrigu** · 12-07-2017 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Morrigu

Nerf: Direct Hit will only work on dps, no longer useable for tanks and healers.
Nerf: Punishment for switching out of tanking stance while in a 4 man dungeon (currect earned Eminity reduced by 50%).
Buff: Increase dmg dealt while in tanking stance (all 3 tanks)

Will this happen, no. But maybe It'll make tanks actually tank again.

Signed, a scorned DPS

Also forgot to add:
Buff: Increase effect of Tenacity by 25-50%

**Kabooa** · 12-07-2017 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Morrigu

Also forgot to add:
Buff: Increase effect of Tenacity by 25-50%

Tanks tank regardless of which Buff icon is on their bar.

Also, buffing tenacity only reduces the need of Tank Stance further.

**DaulBan** · 12-07-2017 05:11 AM

Also, Threat is such a bad niche. Like, threat is just DPS times a multiplier. It's a pretty simple mechanic that's a formality in most content with the advent of voke-shirk. Crazy opinion by me, but I expect that SE is going to eventually change most DPS to generate half enmity by default or somesuch and introduce more ways to cut it by 5.0. Tanking for me isn't the process of establishing hate, it's controlling where the boss goes, whether or not I have to spam some terrible RoH combo to keep it or not is kind of not the point.

**CaTi** · 12-07-2017 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

and that's the problem, paladin has better utility than the other 2 tanks combined so they should not have the capability of dealing the same amount of damage as them

On paper this is sound and I would agree. But as Heavensward and the early 4.0 STR accessory tank phase showed, the only thing that many care about is DPS. All that extra utility? It's great and I love it but it's well and above what's needed to comfortably do anything. if PLD suddenly dropped a huge chunk of DPS it's mostly back to being the unwelcome child after the first 3 days of content again.

Best thing going forward would be to bring DRK a little extra defensive stuff, leave PLD alone for now as the benchmark and start slowly reigning in WAR DPS a bit so we don't get the whole "burst tank for phase pushing" schtick again

**konpachizaraki** · 12-07-2017 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by bswpayton

what would you have it that pali just get their damage slashed so it can just be used in progression content like whm , when pali had less damage it was drk/war, now it can be a mixture of all three thats progress not perfect but better, all the tanks should do around the same damage, but all should have more tools like pali and call it a day.

paladin in terms of damage should be where DRK is now, and DRK in terms of damage should be where WAR is now, buffing only DRK and not nerfing PLD can only mean 2 things
1.WAR become the unwanted child and tank spot will be mostly DRK+PLD
2.PLD will still get their guaranteed spot and WAR+DRK will clash even more to get their spot in raid
i know that is what you paladin player wanedt because most of you are still bitter about what happened in heavensward, but i'm not going to just agree with it

**konpachizaraki** · 12-07-2017 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Crater

idea Paladin has some ridiculous amount of utility is pretty laughable to begin with. They have a lot of tools to mitigate for other party members, and that's basically it. No gap-closer, no free oGCD heal that generates a ton of aggro on pull with no DPS loss, no oGCD stance swaps in or out of tank stance, no slashing debuff, mediocre burst damage, no ranged AoE enmity tool, etc. If you're going to make an argument that a tank should have its wings clipped a little bit and some nerfs should be passed around, Paladin is not where you should be focusing.

1.they have shield swipe as a free oGCD attack(war and drk don't have it)
2.PLD utility is much better than a mere gap closer
3.slashing debuff isn't special for tank anymore because samurai and ninja have them
but pld should not be nerfed, they should nerf another tank because for some reason that particular tank who already competing with other tank for a spot in raid should be nerfed even more, haha NO

**shao32** · 12-07-2017 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

1.WAR become the unwanted child and tank spot will be mostly DRK+PLD

doubt it, WAR have better dps and shake it of is much more flexible that divine veil and PoA, the 90 seconds recast is pretty strong to be up on every important raid aoe and can be buffed to be even stronger with the cds you dont need on that moment.

WAR is on par of PLD, cover and intervetion are good tools but no fight is desing to have those in mind and WAR can cheat many tank busters and mechanics with holmgang so no, buffing DRK to dealt more dps that WAR and keep the current utility will be more balance that is right now.

**DRKoftheAzure** · 12-07-2017 11:02 PM

What I am hoping for: lots of balancing for tanks (mostly DRK fixes to core issues)
What I am expecting: even less content to do which mean more canceled subs...
What will happen: me getting my Stromblood DRK mount and stop playing if 4.2 is basically the same as 4.1 patch or early access days...

**bswpayton** · 12-07-2017 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

What I am hoping for: lots of balancing for tanks (mostly DRK fixes to core issues)
What I am expecting: even less content to do which mean more canceled subs...

it will be tho , just gona be insert relic grind, insert new raids and u will essentially have the same thing

**Chrono_Rising** · 12-08-2017 09:59 PM

Most likely changes, if any, in my opinion:

(1) Blood Weapon recast reduced to 30 seconds
(2) Blood Price recast reduced to 30 seconds
(3) Bloodspiller raised 20 potency out of grit

I hope for more, but I think this would at least put us where we should be as off tanks. In particular we really need:

(1) Sole Survivor turned into a raid wide utility (in particular an HP/mp/resource refresh would be ideal)

Paladin and warrior: No adjustment

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