Thread: Try to predict Nerf/Buff/QoL of 4.2 DPS Edition

So perhaps we shouldn't be fighting about it in this thread, but MNK's damage really is just fine, or at least the highest damage MNKs are WAY out-damaging the highest damage DRGs by anywhere from 7-12%. Furthermore, all the highest percentile MNKs I know love the job and lament it ONLY because of the state of BRD+MCH+DRG.

Read: The biggest issue with MNK/DRG is that DRG is required for disembowel for BOTH BRD AND MCH for the meta. This is the biggest thing "wrong" with MNK, and the meta, is this reliance on piercing, so MNK is shunned. This issue should have been fully addressed back in 3.2 when it first cropped up, but alas.


@Remedi, it's the MP cost of the stances that sucks. Needing MP to turn on the other oath/Grit blows your Dark Arts/Requiescat MP table, and that really bites. About the reduction, that is true, but I think a different workaround would be better.

Originally Posted by Llugen

So perhaps we shouldn't be fighting about it in this thread, but MNK's damage really is just fine, or at least the highest damage MNKs are WAY out-damaging the highest damage DRGs by anywhere from 7-12%. Furthermore, all the highest percentile MNKs I know love the job and lament it ONLY because of the state of BRD+MCH+DRG.

Read: The biggest issue with MNK/DRG is that DRG is required for disembowel for BOTH BRD AND MCH for the meta. This is the biggest thing "wrong" with MNK, and the meta, is this reliance on piercing, so MNK is shunned. This issue should have been fully addressed back in 3.2 when it first cropped up, but alas.

That's part of the problem, yes, but now when people are complaining who still main it, or used to main it but abandoned it this expansion, the skills for the job are an absolute mess. The complaint isn't that we're not meta, its that our skills are locked behind multiple layers of RNG, and our toolkit is at odds with itself. We have skills to extend our buffs that mean we have to fail and intentionally take damage, or we're punished if we have a competent scholar who gets a strong enough galvanize on us that we don't take damage at all. Our primary skill to refresh our primary job buff is on a 3 minute cool down ever since ARR, whereas comparable skills on NIN, DRG, and BLM are on cool downs less than a minute long, and the build up time to get back our buff without that skill is much more punishing than the brief amount of time one of these jobs has to wait to restore their buff.

The piercing debuff definitely hurts us when it comes to raiding, yes, but the problems run far deeper than that.