SCH / SCH synergy in raids is lacking. How would you fix it?

[Fernosaur]

On the other hand, double Selene grants 100% Fey Wind uptime~

[Sylvain]

You don't for the same reason every double heals sucks

AST/AST is a headack regarding cards management and a pain because of low healing output.
Heal ShinRyu as 2 ast, you'll start loving WHM and SCH

WHM/WHM has no shields making phase transition non trivial (if not impossible) for most hard fights.

And finally, loosing LB charges isn't very desirable

WHM/WHM has it worst since some fight would simply not be clearable. For instance, I don't see most non tank survive on Shinryu during the eggxplosion phase. Often some dps/ heal end with with a few remaining % and that's after shield mitigation.

[Deceptus]

Double eos is a bad idea, like with ast our fairy sect should always be oneis using eos and the other is using selene. The fairies' buffs like our Galvanize don't stack but overwrite eachother. Unless you are being super coordinated, which the df content never is your better not letting that happen.

Have to disagree with this. Selene is flat out, no questions asked, worse than Eos in every fight. The absolute utility Eos brings trumps 2.5% haste in every sense.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Have to disagree with this. Selene is flat out, no questions asked, worse than Eos in every fight. The absolute utility Eos brings trumps 2.5% haste in every sense.

Not saying she isn't but she is better then a fairy being negated by her buffs being overwritten by the other fairy in the group essentially doing nothing. Once again we're talking DF content you could just run sans fairy and be fine.

[era1Ne]

So why is SCH the only healer that can't play nice with itself? I always feel bad as a SCH when I am in a group with another SCH. It is true you can switch shields to additional heals thus helping you mitigate any overriding of shielding (or having yours cancel out) but that's limited.

Having stackable shields would break the fights and be way to strong. Just imagine stacking 2 crit adlos and you don't even need to play certain mechanics at all. Reggen are not game breaking in the same sense. It is the opossite actually. Double Reggen works now with the high ilvl, but at the start of an new raid tier you want to have reggen + shields. In theory you could run with 2 scholars, but why would you use double classes anyway? You get less lb "progress" and you have less skills available, if you look at the complete group.

But if you still want to stick with 2 scholar, then having one using eos, the other selene and coordinate the shields (especially adlo spread) should work. Plus make the most use of skills like indom. It needs more coordinate and is bad to begin with, but just like double ast and the card issue or double whm and the mitigation issue, it is possible. Again, i just don't see a reason to do it in hard content. I dunno about your reggen idea either, because the game shouldn't embrace people using double classes imo.

I believe you're correct. That said, one of them could go Noct so that one is a bit easier to get around. Kinda weird that it doesn't stack when Regen does, though.

It is not rare nowadays to see scholars do an 20k+ critlo with certain buffs up. This alone is an 40k+ shield and if it would be possible to stacking it, you'd have an 80k+ shield. Many boss attacks wouldn't hurt you anymore, even without other mitigation used. You could literally let dd take tank busters then xD

[Tridus]

It is not rare nowadays to see scholars do an 20k+ critlo with certain buffs up. This alone is an 40k+ shield and if it would be possible to stacking it, you'd have an 80k+ shield. Many boss attacks wouldn't hurt you anymore, even without other mitigation used. You could literally let dd take tank busters then xD

I was talking about Diurnal not stacking with itself. Yes, stacking shields would effectively break everything.

[PondHollow]

They could make it so up to two Galvanize (from different players) can stack but when they stack they are both reduced to some percentage of their strength, to be determined with testing. I'd guess 75%.

It is not rare nowadays to see scholars do an 20k+ critlo with certain buffs up.

Upper range is around 11k crit. Largesse and Convalescence together will give you 15k.

[era1Ne]

I was talking about Diurnal not stacking with itself. Yes, stacking shields would effectively break everything.

My bad then. Sorry
If i would have to guess, than i'd say they just want ast using different stances playing together and having 2 whm not being able to stack reggen would be probably to weak. I dunno.

Upper range is around 11k crit. Largesse and Convalescence together will give you 15k.

It depends on the amount of crit and what gear you've got and which buffs are applied. If you have an bard and warrior you can go really high. Even higher with mantra from a monk. Largesse + Fey Illumination + Bufffood from yourself, then Defiance and Conva from the tank + Nature's Minne. But you are right saying 20k isn't rare was to much, since without does buffs you won't be able to reach it and most of the time you are only able to stack that many buffs pre pull in v4s (second fight) for example. Works great for almagast. Doing that fight every week created my perception of those "not rare 20k crits". My apologies.

PS: I have reached 19k outside of an instance with just FI, largesse + conva + Def and my gear. No buffood, no partybuff, and so on. Here is a picture of the test:


Edit: New FF14 week \o/. Here are two examples of 20k+ crits. Just for fun.

[dynus]

Having recently done double SCH in several instances (World of Darkness and non-Savage DeltascapeV4.0) I have to say it wasn't terrible. Just required paying attention and communication. I learned the hard way Chain Strategem doesn't stack when we both opened with it. I did see that Eos' regen does stack, which was nice (unless I hallucinated that). Having one using Eos and one using Selene was nice too, for Fey Wind and all of Eos' buffs, and the group esuna is nice too for the removable debuffs like Exdeath's Doom. But double Eos is the way to go for the buffs to on more often.

There were times though, that it was frustrating because shields don't stack, and it felt like wasting MP, but again, paying attention and using Physick instead of Aldo when someone was galvanized saved a bunch of MP.

[FalalaMaru]

If 2 fairy's target the same player with Fey Union at the same time, the effect changes from single regen to pulse bomb aoe regen.... I can only dream...