Please add a mode that doesn't require as much teamwork.

[RiyahArp]

Translate: You just to play something that you can always win.

I want something to play that is fun to lose.

If I cared about winning, it's not that hard to do. Just be cheap in it; always play a healer, always stack your side with premade friends, follow the meta strictly, and that's that. But it's just not fun to win or lose in RW especially. Id like more emergent, free form stuff

[Wintersandman]

I don't know if you can still see them,but you could see the win rates for frontlines via the lodestone, and ask people their weekly stats. It wound up hardening on primal to mael being first, twin being second, and flames being third. It was really bad, and I'm glad that mode is dead now.

I am Flames and I would get a 40-50% win rate which is better than average for a 3 way match which should be 33%. Honestly the ones at the top of the page were more likely bots than anything else.

always stack your side with premade friends

Then we should get rid of statics but this is a game about playing with friends. It sounds like you can't find anyone to PvP with. Also in regards to your previous comment can't be on mael and be in a premade at the same time.

[Guesswhat]

The obvious solution would be a simple 2 team deathmatch, where you actually have to depend on your FF14 skills as a player to beat other players. But now they completely separated PvE from PvP, so even if you are good in one mode, it will not help you in the other.

Feast 8vs8 is close, but then there is the stupid medal system...

I really liked 8vs8vs8 slaughter. But even in slaughter they had to add some PvE stuff.

pls delete 4.x PvP and bring back 3.x /cry

[AdamZ]

That was the beauty and bane of Shatter. There was no one way to win it, and being able to adapt strategy on the fly made all the difference.

Ah, fond memories. . .

To say nothing of the HW pvp which actually allowed tanks and ninja's to break off from groups and even solo still have a positive impact towards winning a match. Now tanks are pointless...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

To say nothing of the HW pvp which actually allowed tanks and ninja's to break off from groups and even solo still have a positive impact towards winning a match. Now tanks are pointless...

Amen to that. PvP is where the classification of Ninja as a "Scouting" job finally made sense.

[Istaru]

Amen to that. PvP is where the classification of Ninja as a "Scouting" job finally made sense.

I hated running into one of them alone in Seal Rock when everyone split up for new nodes.

[RiyahArp]

Ninja hide had no counter save for Alert, which could only be used by a couple of classes and had a tiny range. Stealth in PvP in general is a bad idea, its a gankers move.

[Mirch]

carry harder, if you always point fingers on others you will never succeed

[Commander_Justitia]

can rival wings get ice? and an icecrusher mech ? I need to keep my ice fflogs up2date, all this teamwork thing really hurts my rotation

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Ninja hide had no counter save for Alert, which could only be used by a couple of classes and had a tiny range. Stealth in PvP in general is a bad idea, its a gankers move.

I personally enjoyed watching a NIN try to hide while in sight, then dashing out to their last location and using Detect to expose them. A Dex job could stealth, and all Dex jobs had Detect, even other NINs. And considering you couldn't stay hidden and cap a base or attack an objective, nor move at normal speed, I'd call that fair.

Ganking? Whatever. Stealth was no different than hiding behind one of the Allagan structure fragments or ruins on the maps and ambushing a passerby, something I've been on both the giving and receiving end of. The element of surprise has always been a powerful, strategic tool in battle.