Please add a mode that doesn't require as much teamwork.

[RiyahArp]

I can't think of a single pvp game/mode/etc that doesn't require Teamwork. Shatter you don't have to follow the meta. That's just the least confrontation route people follow. 24 man big ice is the best example of no actual meta holds. I have won just by capturing bases and ignoring ice, I have won by kills and ignoring ice (3 Big ice still up), I have also won by beating on ice because my team couldn't hold a base and didn't know how to kill opponents.

The meta in shatter was loading up one GC with all the pvpers so the other ones had all the bots and solo players. I lost all faith in the PvP community when they did that on primal and people argued to my face it wasn't happening, even as maelstrom started tipping to absurdly high win rates, and the freelancer mode put me on flames 95% of the time as a solo player.

I guess what I mean is I'd like a mode where we can just have fun, and not have to always follow a restricting, tight meta that sets up a precise timeline for a match. Shatter was not freeform as you think, because people planned their stuff around the times ice spawned. RW is honestly horrid that way, especially if you aren't in a bot. Maybe open world stuff or something, but the whole "group precise play" thing is getting really old. The fact that in RW it's to the point where you can't even play half the jobs in the game due to the meta is ridiculous

[Wintersandman]

The meta in shatter was loading up one GC with all the pvpers so the other ones had all the bots and solo players.

Maybe that occurred on Lamia but Primal it did not. I know my friends who are PvP'ers stuck with their GC. It was the sheep who went all to one GC. Mael was better on average in 72 man but in 24 when ice had less weight they were horrid and would have a losing record because they were PvE'rs in a PvP mode.

[RiyahArp]

Maybe that occurred on Lamia but Primal it did not. I know my friends who are PvP'ers stuck with their GC. It was the sheep who went all to one GC. Mael was better on average in 72 man but in 24 when ice had less weight they were horrid and would have a losing record because they were PvE'rs in a PvP mode.

I don't know if you can still see them,but you could see the win rates for frontlines via the lodestone, and ask people their weekly stats. It wound up hardening on primal to mael being first, twin being second, and flames being third. It was really bad, and I'm glad that mode is dead now.

[Wintersandman]

I don't know if you can still see them,but you could see the win rates for frontlines via the lodestone, and ask people their weekly stats. It wound up hardening on primal to mael being first, twin being second, and flames being third. It was really bad, and I'm glad that mode is dead now.

I am Flames and I would get a 40-50% win rate which is better than average for a 3 way match which should be 33%. Honestly the ones at the top of the page were more likely bots than anything else.

always stack your side with premade friends

Then we should get rid of statics but this is a game about playing with friends. It sounds like you can't find anyone to PvP with. Also in regards to your previous comment can't be on mael and be in a premade at the same time.

[Guesswhat]

The obvious solution would be a simple 2 team deathmatch, where you actually have to depend on your FF14 skills as a player to beat other players. But now they completely separated PvE from PvP, so even if you are good in one mode, it will not help you in the other.

Feast 8vs8 is close, but then there is the stupid medal system...

I really liked 8vs8vs8 slaughter. But even in slaughter they had to add some PvE stuff.

pls delete 4.x PvP and bring back 3.x /cry

[HaoNam]

I guess what I mean is I'd like a mode where we can just have fun

Translate: You just to play something that you can always win.

[RiyahArp]

Translate: You just to play something that you can always win.

I want something to play that is fun to lose.

If I cared about winning, it's not that hard to do. Just be cheap in it; always play a healer, always stack your side with premade friends, follow the meta strictly, and that's that. But it's just not fun to win or lose in RW especially. Id like more emergent, free form stuff