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  1. #11
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Like others have said, so long as they aren't asking for money it isn't griefing though it is in bad form to list in the wrong section. However if you see /anyone/ listing real money pricing I would report it to a moderator with a screenshot. Especially if they tell you to go to another site for pricing.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    How is intentionally mislabeling their clear selling under Expert Roulette and Lakshmi Ex in order to spam up the top of the PF list not griefling?
    Because they aren't deliberately irritating or angering people, they're just advertising.
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    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers (PWN) on Coeurl in Aether.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    Like others have said, so long as they aren't asking for money it isn't griefing though it is in bad form to list in the wrong section. However if you see /anyone/ listing real money pricing or indicating that you should go to their website for pricing details, I would report it to a moderator with a screenshot.
    The problem is they do it deceptively they won't mention real world pricing but they will do it under the cross server PF(you can't trade gil cross server so the only way for them to get paid is via RMT) and have people contact them over Discord. Putting some sorta rule in place to stop selling clears cross server would cut down on the spam in PF as well as the RMT.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    The problem is they do it deceptively they won't mention real world pricing but they will do it under the cross server PF(you can't trade gil cross server so the only way for them to get paid is via RMT) and have people contact them over Discord. Putting some sorta rule in place to stop selling clears cross server would cut down on the spam in PF as well as the RMT.
    That would be something I'm fine with as like you said there's no way to 'sell' a clear that way. However I do still say you should screenshot and report so the moderators have something to go off of. It might not amount to anything /now/ but bringing it consistently to their attention as a problem would go a long way into making the developers institute some kind of policy.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    The problem is they do it deceptively they won't mention real world pricing but they will do it under the cross server PF(you can't trade gil cross server so the only way for them to get paid is via RMT) and have people contact them over Discord. Putting some sorta rule in place to stop selling clears cross server would cut down on the spam in PF as well as the RMT.
    It is the responsibility of the player involved in the transaction though to report the RMT activity. Square Enix can only stop these things in their tracks if they patrol the PF for it, and they won't even do that for the spam bots in key locations where they spam advertisement for RMT.
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    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers (PWN) on Coeurl in Aether.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    That would be something I'm fine with as like you said there's no way to 'sell' a clear that way. However I do still say you should screenshot and report so the moderators have something to go off of. It might not amount to anything /now/ but bringing it consistently to their attention as a problem would go a long way into making the developers institute some kind of policy.
    That's not a bad idea, I play on PS4 though and it doesn't seem to give me the option to include a screenshot in a report.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    They are intentionally abusing PF by posting under the wrong listings(typically Expert Roulette or Lakshimi Ex) and spamming up PF and in some case using PF for RMT(selling clears cross server). Yesterday at one point 3 of the first 5 PF listings were people selling clears under the wrong headings, that's a problem.
    The only caveat I can give you here is the RMT and that's only if you have proof they're trading real money. Since no one can't do that, you can only report it under suspicious activity.

    Other than that,

    We don't have a request board where players can just leave a note to advertise their services. I'd rather see 'spam' on the PF then a player spamming in shout/yell. If it annoys you, then it annoys you and that's okay because that's how you feel. But not everyone feels griefed or even annoyed for that matter. Hell, some don't even care it's used this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    They are intentionally abusing PF by posting under the wrong listings(typically Expert Roulette or Lakshimi Ex) and spamming up PF and in some case using PF for RMT(selling clears cross server). Yesterday at one point 3 of the first 5 PF listings were people selling clears under the wrong headings, that's a problem.
    Although I don't think it's griefing (unless you provide me the exact quote from the ToS stating otherwise), I do think that this disguised RMT activity is something that should be looked into. The GMs won't care unless there's an actual RMT activity going on and can be investigated, which is kinda hard to do as these people lure the buyers outside of their system (Discord, any other VoIP software). So, if YOU have proof, may as well report it.
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