Returning player, looking to try Melee DPS

[LeeraSorlan]

Amazing how truth can be re-adjusted, lets go:
Jump, Spineshatter, Dragonfire,Life Surge, Mirage, Geirskogul, Blood for Blood, Dragon Sight

lets discount BoTD and True North since you mostly pre-cast them before pull.
lets also omit Litany because of rly long CD
I'm still counting 8 oGCDs, not 3 and not 4.


I was counting how many positionals you do within standard GCD rotation - but forgot Chaos.
Heavy Thrust, Chaos, 2xWheeling, 2x Fang.
Hmm, 6 out of of 11 GCD, lets make it 66% positionals of you GCD rotation then.
You still sure MNK will lose much more if you both miss all?

i think theres more things you can pin on drg for being clunky at besides its positionals, cmon now. DRG postional loss vs monk positional loss isnt comparable. if you miss every drg positional in a 10 minute fight, compared to missing every monk positional in a 10 minute fight, monk will be harshly punished by a very large amount over drg.

[LeeraSorlan]

Drg is a pretty terrible job imo.

I main this job in ARR and i forced myself to play it for half of heavensward because i thought the issue was with me. but no, the job is just a mess to play, so much so that its not even fun anymore.
I leveled the job to 70 and i learned the rotation out of respect for the job i played for years and somehow SB drg is even worse than HW drg.
Its also (what i would consider) the most "challenging" melee job to pick up and play.


Sam is the easiest melee, by far, if you want a job you can pick up and be decent at within a short amount of time (a week max of learning) sam is the job for you.
Monk is easy once u get positionals muscle memoried. keeping up GL3 is a non issue these days and the times u lose it, chances are anyone would be losing it (boss jumps too long etc)
Nin isnt the most advanced, but i felt like its more pressing to be good at, its alot more simple in SB but it can trip you up if you arent using your guage right and doing the trick window proper.
Drg is explained above.

Imo, skip DRG, it might be fun to you, who knows, but its definantly going to take more of a learning curve.


This is a list based on what i think are the jobs that take the longest to be passable at, not a list determining which job is better, more fun or does more dmg

[Wintersandman]

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What is difficult about DRG?

[LeeraSorlan]

What is difficult about DRG?

nothing is "difficult" about drg, but comparing it to the other melees, it feels like the most specific melee job to get the hang of

Which again, isnt a complaint or a negative against it (even if i hate the job). im just saying what i think would be the hardest for someone new to melee to pick up and do good at within a reasonable time frame

[Selova]

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Semantics. The ogcds you are using in conjunction with your normal rotation are jump, ssd and mirage dive. You are acting like you have to constantly juggle every ability that's classified as a ogcd constantly during your rotation.

Like I said, you are making the job feel more complex than it really is. If you are having issues remembering when to activate your buffs (blood for blood, litany) and remembering to use DFD once every 2 minutes, I think you have a bigger problem. Regardless of how many times you have to perform a positional it's still only 4 positionals.

They made it even easier when they changed it from a random proc to knowing which positional you are going to have to do depending on which combo you're doing. All of which you can pre-plan for. You lack experience with the job, end of story.

[RylaBee]

Regardless of how many times you have to perform a positional it's still only 4 positionals.

Your disregard for basic logic is trully incredible.

Yes it does matter what percentage of time you spend on positionals.
It does not matter how many different positional skills you have.

Even if you have just 2 positionals - but have to use them 80% of time, that would be more dependency on positioning then using 5 positionals 50% time.

Since facts and logic are "semantics" to you, we indeed should abandon any debate.

[Selova]

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Your inability to just admit that you arent experienced or knowledgeable about the job is whats incredible. Dragoon has 4 positionals, thats it. It doesnt matter how much of your rotation you are spent doing positionals, it doesnt make the the job hard or complex. Which is what you are so dead set on trying to prove.

The job is not hard, its not complex and you are not experienced playing it at a endgame level, these are all undisputed facts. You have already listed reasons why you arent experienced with the job in your previous posts, ie. having issues with HT falling off, Seriously thinking that you have to constantly juggle all of dragoons ogcds during their rotation. There is also the hilarious part where you are refusing to address any of the information a experienced dragoon is giving to you you would rather argue pointless semantics than educate yourself on how the job plays. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Have fun out there kid.

[Jukebox12]

I actually did the math.

If you're going to miss a positional it will most likely be you can't get behind the target. So if you're on the flank you miss the position.

Now this is just a semi standard rotation for when buffs/debuffs will fall off. MNK is also 9 GCD's for 246 potency loss, where as DRG is over 11 GCD's and doesn't take into account skill speed, GL3 or any additional crit. The more crit you have on MNK the more missing bootshine increases the potency lost.

Can I hug you.

[Wintersandman]

Can I hug you.

/hug

/10char

[Krisom]

The whole gimmick of MNK that has been unchanged since 2.0 is that it's a class that focuses on positionals.
Arguing that DRG gets penalized more than MNK for missing positionals is not worth it, both by pure numbers and the design of the classes.

DRG is more about managing oGCDs, namely when to use specific Mirage Dives, Geirskoguls and going into LOTD by lining it up with B4B.
For example; O1S you want to have a late activation of LOTD (atleast 2 B4B worth of Nastrond) and in O3S you want to have an early activation of LOTD. Your 5th Mirage Dive should be kept for B4B, because unless you're expecting some long downtime there's no reason to use MD right away.