Rival wings issue

[Kaethra]

Sounds like they should add MP draining to Bards and Mechanics in PVP. If they want to heal, they'll have to sit further back and potentially out of range of their melee.

Or perhaps more healing dubuffs to melees.

Bit of an edit as I had a thought. When I played Planetside 2, there was an issue with trying to take points from medic stacked squads. Medics can heal and rez and even have the ability to AOE instant rez about 4 times before needing to restock.

As you can imagine, that's pretty powerful. The counter to it was simply to AOE them out or MAX crash. MAXes were battle armor, basically suits with nearly the power of vehicles and could go wherever anyone on foot could go.

Medics simply didn't have the damage to deal with them they could rez but just get mowed down. And the counter to MAX crash was to use classes other than medics. I wonder if the machines need more damage to players instead? Or some other similar rock/paper/scissors setup.

[KageTokage]

If they don't plan on nerfing healers, I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow mechs to enter or at least fire into the generator room to apply more pressure on those trying to hold it.

[Kaethra]

If they don't plan on nerfing healers, I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow mechs to enter or at least fire into the generator room to apply more pressure on those trying to hold it.

Or maybe add a smaller suit version for that purpose similar to MAXes in PS2 like I said in my edit. Something like what you see Nero, Gaius, Livia, and Zenos using.

[Commander_Justitia]

allow mechs to enter or at least fire into the generator

Even though there is a barrier you can already do this to some degree. Brute Justice megabeam and flamethrower could hit them.

Example: if a player has regen and medica II already in effect then they cannot receive a diurnal aspected helios or even an adloquium.

You are sure those abilities all exist in current PvP?

[Beckett]

If they don't plan on nerfing healers, I don't think it would be unreasonable to allow mechs to enter or at least fire into the generator room to apply more pressure on those trying to hold it.

It could potentially be a very unfair advantage if mechs could attack in the Generator/Caves. If the team with initial mechs can prevent the other team from getting ceruleum, then you've got one team with a monopoly on mechs.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

It could potentially be a very unfair advantage if mechs could attack in the Generator/Caves. If the team with initial mechs can prevent the other team from getting ceruleum, then you've got one team with a monopoly on mechs.

Cruise Chaser technically can fire inside the Generator room with its proximity mine thing. If you're on the bridge and aim it properly, you can get it fairly in the center of the room and cause a lot of problems. Had that happen while doing RW with a friend earlier. x.x

[Marxam]

I seriously hate how strong healers are in PvP. Maybe I was spoiled from Seal Rock days when I could FC a healer to death but the really need to buckle down on the balance. Healer stacking is nothing new but there needs to be a cap of two healing buffs per player. Example: if a player has regen and medica II already in effect then they cannot receive a diurnal aspected helios or even an adloquium. They also need to introduce a rock-paper-scissor mechanic, ex,

DPS deal 20% more damage to Tanks
Healers deal 20% more damage to DPS
Tanks deal 20% more damage to Healers

No damage bonus when attacking same class or class that you are strong against. I personally feel something like this would help streamline attack priority instead of just an entire party attacking a healer which is literally the only strat that most players do when they see a party with a healer.

[Bacent]

Example: if a player has regen and medica II already in effect then they cannot receive a diurnal aspected helios or even an adloquium

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/pvp/

You can only have 1 type of regen on you at a time. So if another whm on your team uses regen, or even an ast regen, it overwrites your own. They do not stack. Also Medica II isn't usable in PvP

[ElHeggunte]

You can only have 1 type of regen on you at a time. So if another whm on your team uses regen, or even an ast regen, it overwrites your own. They do not stack. Also Medica II isn't usable in PvP

Yes, thank god for that. I remember before the change when premades would have full groups of WHM all using Medica II. They'd be functionally immortal and every single battle would become a pointless war of attrition in their favor. It was never a common occurrence (at least for me), but it always gave me high blood pressure when I encountered it.

So I'm a little torn on the subject. Knowing how bad they were before, I don't think it's so terrible now. I just think the biggest problem currently is they do too much damage in conjunction with their recovery options.

If it's a matter of wanting recovery spells potent enough to keep healers from becoming "useless" in a PvP setting, SE could easily adjust it so spells do full potency on party members, but reduced potency to the caster. I dunno, whatever.

[Savagelf]

mega beam other wise i would said the rival wings is success