Rival wings issue

[Nyxn607]

You know a good way to counter the healers? Have a team of 20 ninja's (insert any other burst dps) and 4 healers. I guarantee the ninja's will focus kill a healer faster than they can be kept alive. Focus each healer individually and bam, you beat the system. Plus with 4 healer's you can keep enough alive to keep going for a while.

[KageTokage]

Healers are basically the meta for PvP right now, as doing somewhat less DPS in exchange for being virtually immortal is a bit of an unbalanced trade-off, especially when there are objectives that simply require staying alive instead of actually killing anything.

If they want PvP to ever be properly be balanced, they need to require a certain number of each role for frontlines or else people are just going to stack whatever is the most overpowered at the moment.

[Sylvina]

Healers are basically the meta for PvP right now, as doing somewhat less DPS in exchange for being virtually immortal is a bit of an unbalanced trade-off, especially when there are objectives that simply require staying alive instead of actually killing anything.

If they want PvP to ever be properly be balanced, they need to require a certain number of each role for frontlines or else people are just going to stack whatever is the most overpowered at the moment.

all it takes to kill a healer are 2 moderately skilled dps players, or one very skilled Tank, especially if theyre a dark knight.

[Zeonsilt]

one very skilled Tank, especially if theyre a dark knight.

That's some fairytale, thank you. (DRK soloing a healer)

In order to kill a good healer, you need 2 good DPS, 1 good tank and great timing with DPS burst and Tank chain-CC. Otherwise that healer is bad at surviving.

This coordination is impossible [without voice chat] in Rival Wings, when people mostly play solo with a left leg, unless they are a premade.

[Sylvina]

That's some fairytale, thank you. (DRK soloing a healer)

In order to kill a good healer, you need 2 good DPS, 1 good tank and great timing with DPS burst and Tank chain-CC. Otherwise that healer is bad at surviving.

This coordination is impossible [without voice chat] in Rival Wings, when people mostly play solo with a left leg, unless they are a premade.

Absolute nonsense you don't need 2 dps AND A tank to kill a healer. not if all the players involved are on roughly the same skill level. and there's nothing broken about someone having more practice and thus more skill.

[Lorielle]

Absolute nonsense you don't need 2 dps AND A tank to kill a healer.

This is actually the most effective way of killing a healer, but that says a lot when you need a 4v4 setup in a 24 man to get something accomplished, amirite?

Ever wonder why we were put in teams of four rather than teams of 6 or 8?

[alimdia]

It's not an exploit, but it shines the poor balance of large scale PvP.

[Zarabeth]

This is definitely a strategy, not an exploit. In FFXI there were a few fights that could be won faster, better, etc. with several people onthe same jobs. Dark knights with Kraken clubs for the Absolute Virtue fight comes to mind, as do Summoners using Leviathan in the Fenrir fight.

Speaking as someone who has gone into pvp on FFXIV as a healer and found myself the target of any other type of job who spotted me, I find this thread rather amusing.

[alimdia]

This is definitely a strategy, not an exploit. In FFXI there were a few fights that could be won faster, better, etc. with several people onthe same jobs. Dark knights with Kraken clubs for the Absolute Virtue fight comes to mind, as do Summoners using Leviathan in the Fenrir fight.

Speaking as someone who has gone into pvp on FFXIV as a healer and found myself the target of any other type of job who spotted me, I find this thread rather amusing.

You can't use PvE logic in PvP.

You are supposed to be the target of enemies, and your team is supposed to keep people off you, being unkillable is not good PvP balance.

[JohnnyDevo]

If they're dedicating 15 of their 24 players holding the generator, why isn't your team absolutely crushing their mechs?

Honestly, 15 of any type will hold the generator. When the opponent dedicates all but 3 of their non-mech players, you let them have it. Use your swarm to eat the mechs and waste away all the ceruleum you're getting, and pick up canisters with a few strays. Their strategy is sound, but it's not invincible. Trying to fight them on equal ground is obviously what loses you that engagement.