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  1. #1
    Player
    Sylvina's Avatar
    登録日
    2017/05/09
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    Sylvina Eon
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    戦士 Lv 90
    Tome gear is not welfare gear. Welfare gear is the gear which is actually given to you in the class quest box to get you started, and theres nothing wrong with being given free half decent gear to get started playing your class.

    Lets get one thing out of the way, any gear you have to grind currency for is not welfare, it is EARNED. I am sick of the toxic mentality some people have insisting raid gear is the only gear which means anything.
    (7)

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    Player
    HoodRat's Avatar
    登録日
    2014/11/28
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    487
    Character
    Hood Rat
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    暗黒騎士 Lv 70
    Quote 引用元:Sylvina 投稿を閲覧
    People want the best gear they can get for their character because people enjoy improving their character. that is the motivation for getting gear. not necessity for sure.

    The relic should at least be equal when finished to raid weapons. doesn't have to be better but it needs to be on the same level or why bother?
    If people aren't going to raid, why does their character need gear equal to or better than raid gear?

    Quote 引用元:Sylvina 投稿を閲覧
    Lets get one thing out of the way, any gear you have to grind currency for is not welfare, it is EARNED. I am sick of the toxic mentality some people have insisting raid gear is the only gear which means anything.
    On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.
    (6)

  3. #3
    Player
    F_Maximillian's Avatar
    登録日
    2015/07/24
    Location
    The Lavender Beds
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    Character
    Ferox Maximillian
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    ナイト Lv 70
    Quote 引用元:HoodRat 投稿を閲覧
    If people aren't going to raid, why does their character need gear equal to or better than raid gear?



    On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.
    I mean, tomestone gear is earned through various means. For all we know the person could've capped tomes helping people through savage that week (I've actually capped tomes doing that this tier some weeks). That said I can understand why people would want the best gear and I'm fine with the relic catching up to and eventually outclassing raid weapons at the end of the expansion. That I don't think should be changed to better than raid gear every raid tier.
    (1)

  4. #4
    Player
    HoodRat's Avatar
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    2014/11/28
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    Hood Rat
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    暗黒騎士 Lv 70
    Quote 引用元:F_Maximillian 投稿を閲覧
    I mean, tomestone gear is earned through various means. For all we know the person could've capped tomes helping people through savage that week (I've actually capped tomes doing that this tier some weeks). That said I can understand why people would want the best gear and I'm fine with the relic catching up to and eventually outclassing raid weapons at the end of the expansion. That I don't think should be changed to better than raid gear every raid tier.
    You're right, I just don't agree that having a full set of augmented tome gear means much after a while when you can get it by spamming content that requires minimal effort.
    (4)

  5. #5
    Player
    Sylvina's Avatar
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    2017/05/09
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    Sylvina Eon
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    戦士 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:HoodRat 投稿を閲覧
    On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.
    You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

    I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.
    (3)

  6. #6
    Player
    Sebazy's Avatar
    登録日
    2013/08/23
    Location
    Gridania
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    Character
    Sebazy Spiritwalker
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    白魔道士 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Sylvina 投稿を閲覧
    I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.
    Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(
    (15)
    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  7. #7
    Player
    Sylvina's Avatar
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    2017/05/09
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    Sylvina Eon
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    戦士 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Sebazy 投稿を閲覧
    Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(
    No, but they don't have to word their posts in a way which sounds really condescending towards anyone who doesn't enjoy the hardest content, and I say this as someone who does.
    (4)

  8. #8
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    bugmancer's Avatar
    登録日
    2017/06/17
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    Character
    Laramie Cyraizel
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    占星術師 Lv 70
    Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.
    (3)

  9. #9
    Player
    F_Maximillian's Avatar
    登録日
    2015/07/24
    Location
    The Lavender Beds
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    225
    Character
    Ferox Maximillian
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    ナイト Lv 70
    Quote 引用元:bugmancer 投稿を閲覧
    Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.
    If you bothered reading the thread you would see that most raiders don't mind relics equaling out with raid gear. Just not every patch but at the end of the expansion.
    (2)

  10. #10
    Player
    AmeliaVerves's Avatar
    登録日
    2016/10/06
    Location
    Limsa
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    1,475
    Character
    Amelia Wafflesmack
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    占星術師 Lv 80
    I think a very important thing which was not mentioned yet, is the fact that there exists a certain type of competition among raiders. At least among the good teams.
    Those people aim for very high numbers and to achieve those they need the best possible gear to be better than the other top 10% of the same class. To get those tiny last percentages out and out DPS your contestants you definetly need BiS gear.
    For now BiS gear is a mixture of augmented Allagan gear and raid gear, means you have to grind tomestones AND clear the savages to get the BiS!

    If you now add a Relic of same ilvl and stats as the savage weapon it will change the contest! Even if you cannot choose the stats yourself it still might be the fact the relic has better off stats than the savage one, which means that all the raiders that want those top ratings now need to put in more time to get that relic and then do the speed runs (again).

    I think the relic should have same ilvl as the tomestone wep/augmented tomestone wep. Would be another way to get a really good weapon with a way more fancy style than tomestone one.
    (1)
    2017/11/29 00:36; AmeliaVerves が最後に編集

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