Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Sylvina]

Tome gear is not welfare gear. Welfare gear is the gear which is actually given to you in the class quest box to get you started, and theres nothing wrong with being given free half decent gear to get started playing your class.

Lets get one thing out of the way, any gear you have to grind currency for is not welfare, it is EARNED. I am sick of the toxic mentality some people have insisting raid gear is the only gear which means anything.

[HoodRat]

People want the best gear they can get for their character because people enjoy improving their character. that is the motivation for getting gear. not necessity for sure.

The relic should at least be equal when finished to raid weapons. doesn't have to be better but it needs to be on the same level or why bother?

If people aren't going to raid, why does their character need gear equal to or better than raid gear?

Lets get one thing out of the way, any gear you have to grind currency for is not welfare, it is EARNED. I am sick of the toxic mentality some people have insisting raid gear is the only gear which means anything.

On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.

[F_Maximillian]

If people aren't going to raid, why does their character need gear equal to or better than raid gear?



On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.

I mean, tomestone gear is earned through various means. For all we know the person could've capped tomes helping people through savage that week (I've actually capped tomes doing that this tier some weeks). That said I can understand why people would want the best gear and I'm fine with the relic catching up to and eventually outclassing raid weapons at the end of the expansion. That I don't think should be changed to better than raid gear every raid tier.

[HoodRat]

I mean, tomestone gear is earned through various means. For all we know the person could've capped tomes helping people through savage that week (I've actually capped tomes doing that this tier some weeks). That said I can understand why people would want the best gear and I'm fine with the relic catching up to and eventually outclassing raid weapons at the end of the expansion. That I don't think should be changed to better than raid gear every raid tier.

You're right, I just don't agree that having a full set of augmented tome gear means much after a while when you can get it by spamming content that requires minimal effort.

[Sylvina]

On the other hand, you can't get raid gear by mindlessly farming hunts or doing your weekly 24 man raid.

You can't mindlessly do Rabanastre that's utter bull. you can't "Mindlessly" do any current dungeon for that matter. You need some level of effort to get anywhere at max level it just is a matter of whether its a little effort or a lot.

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

[Sebazy]

I am getting real sick of your mentality, its really deragatory toward anyone who doesn't enjoy playing the same way as you.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(

[Sylvina]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them toxic =(

No, but they don't have to word their posts in a way which sounds really condescending towards anyone who doesn't enjoy the hardest content, and I say this as someone who does.

[bugmancer]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

[F_Maximillian]

Yes we know raiding is super hard and makes you super special for clearing it when it's relevant but why do you give a heck if relics EVENTUALLY equal out to raid gear? the game appeals to all types of people who like different aspects of the game for different reason. does someone making a relic because they don't raid take anything at all away from your accomplishments? no, not in the slightest. so why even complain about it? because it kills incentive to raid? raiding will always be at the forefront on ilvl and once you beat it you can sit around going afk at your retainer bell exactly like the rest of us.

If you bothered reading the thread you would see that most raiders don't mind relics equaling out with raid gear. Just not every patch but at the end of the expansion.

[AmeliaVerves]

I think a very important thing which was not mentioned yet, is the fact that there exists a certain type of competition among raiders. At least among the good teams.
Those people aim for very high numbers and to achieve those they need the best possible gear to be better than the other top 10% of the same class. To get those tiny last percentages out and out DPS your contestants you definetly need BiS gear.
For now BiS gear is a mixture of augmented Allagan gear and raid gear, means you have to grind tomestones AND clear the savages to get the BiS!

If you now add a Relic of same ilvl and stats as the savage weapon it will change the contest! Even if you cannot choose the stats yourself it still might be the fact the relic has better off stats than the savage one, which means that all the raiders that want those top ratings now need to put in more time to get that relic and then do the speed runs (again).

I think the relic should have same ilvl as the tomestone wep/augmented tomestone wep. Would be another way to get a really good weapon with a way more fancy style than tomestone one.