Has anyone been banned for using Perform yet?

[Naunet]

As has been said to death... SE's just covering themselves. As long as the copyright holders aren't complaining, nothing will happen. But SE does have to put those notices up so they are covered.

Them "covering themselves" is neutering what could be a hugely successful feature with the potential to foster a massive creative community. In true SE fashion, they are going overboard with restrictions, making the enjoyment of their work very difficult.

[Tempest222]

If I actually had any sort of musical ability to be able to use this feature, I probably still wouldn't use it given the potential for things to go south quickly. Personally I probably wouldn't play anything at all that wasn't my own original work as you never know who might run by a decide to be a jerk and report you, or who might record you playing and upload it somewhere that's going to draw attention and get you into trouble. Given the restrictions that are placed on this feature, I'm really not sure why they bothered adding it in the first place.

[Enla]

Them "covering themselves" is neutering what could be a hugely successful feature with the potential to foster a massive creative community. In true SE fashion, they are going overboard with restrictions, making the enjoyment of their work very difficult.

They're also based in Japan where Fair Use is all but non-existent and where there are pretty severe legal implications for perceived copyright theft. This is the same country where businesses that will go after people on Youtube who post covers even if they provide their own audio track. LoTRO on the other hand was able to embrace this system and encourage people to play whatever they wanted because Turbine was located in the US where the laws are decidedly more lax on the matter. Hell, they heavily encouraged the entire thing and Weatherstock has been an annual event in that game for years now - where bands can come together and play coprighted music for people on top of Weathertop.

In the end what this amounts to is a Japanese company enforcing rules based on the laws of their home nation which can come back to bite them in court if a DMCA challenge is issued by any copyright holder. Is it nonsensical? Oh, very much so! But their stance of needing to cover their ass won't change unless the laws become more lax over seas.

[alimdia]

Not mine ^

SE is doing manual copyright claims even though they own those songs.

Yes, we all signed an agreement that only FFXIV songs could be played, but their reaction to this is still not logical, people do covers all the time.

[Enla]

Not mine ^

SE is doing manual copyright claims even though they own those songs.

Yes, we all signed an agreement that only FFXIV songs could be played, but their reaction to this is still not logical, people do covers all the time.

See, that's what I frankly don't understand. I get why Answers and the like are forbidden, and why outside songs are as well, but their older games? It can't even be because they were Squaresoft back then because they retained all the rights to their old content from before the merger.

[Chevronone]

It's silly. People make musical levels in Mario Maker all the time that cover a wide variety of songs and Nintendo actually features the level...

So we have two Japanese-based companies with contradictory practices. 0.o

[Enla]

It's silly. People make musical levels in Mario Maker all the time that cover a wide variety of songs and Nintendo actually features the level...

So we have two Japanese-based companies with contradictory practices. 0.o

Welcome to Japan. Though Nintendo isn't the best example because they're the same company that will copyright claim any of their works, even if it's just a few seconds of footage on a review. They're also the company where their NA and JP offices are at odds, with one being alright with Fair Use and the other only being alright when it benefits them.

[Naunet]

SE's reasons aside, they're shooting themselves in the foot with this. Perform could be so much more than it is.

[Zarabeth]

Technically, naming your character Cloud Sephiroth and Sasuke Stark is a bannable offense. Realistically, though, it doesn't happen.

As has been said to death... SE's just covering themselves. As long as the copyright holders aren't complaining, nothing will happen. But SE does have to put those notices up so they are covered.

Character names would be a trademark, not copyright, issue.

As stated in the Live letter announcing Perform's release:

However, please make sure to perform music that is FFXIV-related. We don’t mind if you’re using it for personal use; however, if songs and music from other titles are being recorded and uploaded frequently, we may have to remove the feature, so we would like to ask for everyone’s support...

Also, SE could technically pull any video containing any scenes, screenshots, music, etc. from the game.

[Zarabeth]

SE's reasons aside, they're shooting themselves in the foot with this. Perform could be so much more than it is.

No, the players who are ignoring copyright issues are the ones shooting themselves in the foot as SE has already stated they will remove perform if this happens a lot.