Petition to Lift Balmung Server Lock / Impact of Server Lock on FFXIV RP Community

[MoroMurasaki]

Only on the internet would a tautological argument deplete of foundation and evidence (i.e. - SE IS SE AND IS RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS SE AND SE SAYS SO) be confused with "reasoning" or construed as "opinion."

I can only point back to the arguments made in the OP, which have not been rebutted or addressed in any meaningful capacity (don't worry - it's because the arguments are sound and raise valid points).

Your arguments are not sound. Multiple holes have been poked in all of them. Your delusion here is troubling - either you believe these things or you're dishonest enough to act like you do, neither points to a realistic and grounded worldview.

I won't waste any more of my time on this, I feel like I've already won because you stopped respomding to my posts (which have avtual points backed by logic and reason) which I take as your recognition that I've proven you wrong.

I will say this though - SE by default has valid opinions on all things related to this game even when we don't like them. It belongs to them, not us. When they take our opinions and thoughts to heart and allow us to help shape things it's amazing but every instance of that is a charity on their part. They don't need to listen to us, plenty of people will play this game either way.

You're wasting your own time, time which would be better spent moving your character to another server. You're clearly miserable, stop trying to make other people miserable too.

[Oaken]

Your arguments are not sound. Multiple holes have been poked in all of them. I will say this though - SE by default has valid opinions on all things related to this game even when we don't like them. It belongs to them, not us. .

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

[Skivvy]

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them.

If and when they want to unlock Balmung, they will do so.

If you are not a troll, next time I would suggest approaching the thread in a far less dismissive and combative manner. The forums are there to open up conversations, which will bring in viewpoints of all types. Shooting down anything you don't agree with as a "fallacious argument" does absolutely nothing but make you look like a 10 year old who is trying to have an adult conversation and failing.

[KaivaC]

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I don't think he'll agree with anything unless it is for unlocking Balmung and its from a Balmung player, tbh. The other worlds are getting some population growths...but they aren't nearly as important as Balmung, if you listen to threads like these.

[SenorPatty]

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them.

Hold on Oaken, I got dis.

*Clears throat*

Fallacious Argument!

Circular Reasoning!

I don't have proof but I don't have to bring it! Everyone else should!


Did I do that right?

[MoroMurasaki]

Hold on Oaken, I got dis.

*Clears throat*

Fallacious Argument!

Circular Reasoning!

I don't have proof but I don't have to bring it! Everyone else should!


Did I do that right?

Judging by my urge to call you a petulant child who should quit their bellyaching I think you did a wonderful job.

[Oaken]

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them. If and when they want to unlock Balmung, they will do so.

You don't seem to understand that an "argument" that amounts to little more than a handful of uncritical consumers showing blind deference towards the decisions of a business entity isn't valid. You don't seem to understand that reasonable policies cannot be rooted in "BECAUSE X SAID SO." Indeed, we're grown adults: not mindless children who need to be told what to think by a benevolent authority figure (but, sadly, some seem content to base their views on that type of uncritical submission).

[Skivvy]

You don't seem to understand that an "argument" that amounts to little more than a handful of uncritical consumers showing blind deference towards the decisions of a business entity isn't valid. You don't seem to understand that reasonable policies cannot be rooted in "BECAUSE X SAID SO." Indeed, we're grown adults: not mindless children who need to be told what to think by a benevolent authority figure (but, sadly, some seem content to base their views on that type of uncritical submission).

Have you read all of our post histories? How do you know we're not critical of SE? Just because we understand that SE controls the game and will do as they wish, it does not mean that we agree with all of their decisions. This really is not a hard concept to grasp.

[kikix12]

You don't seem to understand that an "argument" that amounts to little more than a handful of uncritical consumers showing blind deference towards the decisions of a business entity isn't valid. You don't seem to understand that reasonable policies cannot be rooted in "BECAUSE X SAID SO." Indeed, we're grown adults: not mindless children who need to be told what to think by a benevolent authority figure (but, sadly, some seem content to base their views on that type of uncritical submission).

It's not "because X said so". It's because X knows what technical limitations their servers have. Every server, as a physical device, have a set limit to the amount of connections they can maintain at any one time and a limited amount of "calls" they can make over a specified amount of time. If they amount of "calls" exceed that limit...there are generated queues that prevent the consumers computer from connecting to the server until the clogged up connection is sifted through. At the same time, however, the server limitations may end up having an effect on the people already connected, as their queries will, too, be queued, though probably to a lesser degree, as the servers surely give priorities to this or that kind of connection...as it should.

The proof of the concept is whenever DDoS happen, where servers are heavily overburdened and can no longer even sustain the prioritized connections over the low-importance connections. That is a technical limitation that Square Enix have knowledge of, that you do not for very obvious reasons. It's a trade secret.


On a different note, you suck at role-playing. If the community is stifled after few months of lock, how can you say that you role-play?! Role-playing is "imprinting life-like mentality into a non-real medium" in essence. Role-playing needs to take into consideration world-building. And in the world of Final Fantasy XIV, it takes YEARS for Hyur, Miquo'te, Lalafels, Elezen etc. to grow up. You want role-playing, but you forget that the cycle of life and death, growing up etc. are all part of actual role-playing, and without the server lock, there are people randomly being born anew, as ADULTS to boot, all around you...How is that role-playing?!

All in all, you lack any vital argument. You are trying to make a claim that you know better about Square Enix servers than they do, all the while saying that everyone that listens to Square Enix is wrong because you are right. That is the very essence of what you are rambling about. You've got issues, seriously,and they have nothing to do with Balmung being locked.


PS: If you ever see a queue when logging in, at any point of time, then there's your proof that Balmung is overpopulated. If that queue is larger than a few people, then the overpopulation is gross.

[MoroMurasaki]

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

The purpose of this forum is to discuss the game amongst ourselves, not to give SE suggestions. Do you ever wonder why you don't see staff just posting in random threads? Because they aren't monitored apart from reports filed.

SE is right about this because they're the only part of the equation that has all the data. To say that you know better than them about how to run their game is like you walking into a kitchen and slapping the knife out of tge chef's hand because you can clearly cook better than him.

You can't. You don't know better. They've made a wildly popular MMO that competes with WoW. They are clearly very knowledgable. You aren't. Stop acting like you're their equal or like the opinions of some whiny teenagers paying $12 a month are equal to those of the devs who keep this game running.